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« on: July 24, 2011, 08:22:16 pm » |
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I've never cared about special bloodlines and know old school hog hunters that never cared either. My ? Is who here cares about where u get ur dogs or who just hunts a dog that looks like a hog dog. I don't know if I made myself clear but I tried lol.
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 08:36:37 pm » |
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I never realized the importance of bloodlines until recently. I guess I was lucky with getting good pups as a kid, but raising a few good looking pups that turned out worthless will change your mind. I think a dogs breeding(if done right) lessens the chances of feeding a pup for a year or two only to end up with a cull. That being said, my best dog ever was out of two yard dogs that never got hunted.
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 08:41:20 pm » |
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No doubt you have to choose a dog by ability rather than looks....As far as a bloodline I would prefer to get a dog of hog dog breeding or breed a dog that has some history of making hog dogs. Even then you may still have some culls.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 09:02:12 pm » |
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I think when u have good breed dogs u have less cull rate but u will have to cull on any litter just my thinking
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cward
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2011, 09:20:28 pm » |
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I knew a guy who would go around every year and get one pup from anyone who had dogs he would end up with about 12 then cull down and would always end up with one real good dog and cull the rest. Where I would breed Good genetics and would raise a whole litter and could not pick because they were so many that were working. So I will stick with good genetic. And I have said it before if genetic don't work then why are the bucking bull people and the white tail people useing them so much sinking millions of dollars in them.
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Hog hunting can start more crap than anything I have ever seen!(HDLCrystal) Remember John Wayne was just an actor the real cowboys is who he looked up to..........
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2011, 09:29:34 pm » |
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I guess for me I never bred my dogs just usually got them grown. This is what I was looking for in responses thanks. I do agree on breeding proven dogs, my buddies who haven't been hunting long breed anything that looks like a hog dog. I just let them do their own thing but definitely don't get any of their trash lol. I guess a lot of the older guys I run with don't breed their dogsjust kinda pick up dogs here and their but good solid packs.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2011, 09:59:56 pm » |
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the best respect to blood or papers is im my opinion i like papers and history with the papers i can get in touch with people from generations past [if i like what i got ] and if you loose that dog and want one of similer caracteristics you know where to start looking . papers don't get the game but it is nice to know a dogs ancestry i run reg and grade dogs mostly crosses now . but its nice being able to track down litter mate owners . and talk about the dogs and how there doing or for medical history if needed . like now this is just for example only !!! the cutter dog i don't wont a pup out of cutter i want a pup from his parents say i know where to go find it
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 10:09:44 pm » |
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If a dog has it he has t with that said I have a dog out of a line of dogs. He had never hunted with the guy I got him from just me. Well I sent him down there to hunt because I'm not getting to hunt because of work and the heat. Get a call first time out and said he hunts just like the dogs he is out of said people that know his dogs said they could not tell a difference except for color. It does have influence in dogs but the dog has to have the will and ability in the first place.
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Reuben
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2011, 11:02:04 pm » |
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well in the early 1980's I bought a few dogs that were supposed to be hog dogs and I got took, switched to airedales and I finally decided that a pure airedale pack wasn't working for me.
Late 1980's and early 1990's got a few mtn curs and some were pretty good and finally got some good ones and bred off of those bloodlines. A cross between texas smoke (original)mtn cur and kemmer stock mtn cur with a pinch of bmc. I give credit to H.B. White and A.C. Zoeller for breeding up these dogs but these were linebred and inbred dogs with lots of hunt...I stayed with those dogs until 2007 and I was never disappointed with that line of dogs.
Tried to get back in and am having to take baby steps with these dogs I have now...There is no doubt in my mind, a well bred dog for hog hunting is the best way to go. We might not always get the best pup but the chances of getting a good one goes up considerably as compared to a pup with no particular breeding.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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noelle
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 12:46:27 am » |
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Bloodlines are vital.
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Rueben,
Why don't you just get some of the blood you had in 2007? It's only been four years... Surely it hasn't been watered down too bad.
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Reuben
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Rueben,
Why don't you just get some of the blood you had in 2007? It's only been four years... Surely it hasn't been watered down too bad.
Here is what happened...lost a dog to cancer about that time. lost 2 to heat exhaustion. lost another to a broken jaw. I gave a good one away and it hung itself. Lost one due to cold weather and another to a hog. The last 3 of the full blood... I sold...one of those was stolen, one disappeared from the tracking system. That one was as good as the best I had. The other was sold on the net because he was semi open on track. I bred to a father and son that had 1/2 my old blood and the gyps didn't take. I should of had pups this month. A kid has a good mtn cur gyp but does not want to breed her because she is his main strike dog. I know of a few others that are culls. I also have made an agreement to breed to a male that is an awesome dog but I was holding off because he is 1/2 bmc of the wrong strain. There is another female that is 1/2 bmc but from top bmc blood. I am trying for a deal on that one. I have a plan but probably will be slow going. I think I can get about 1/2 my old blood going but will try to breed in a 1/4 pit because I want shorter races. Probably lose nose and a little hunt because of it. I very seldom gave a dog or pup away but it turns out that most folks didn't like a long range dog or a dog that was semi open... First thing they did was add bmc and pit. We call that different strokes for different strokes. I would like to have the same dogs as before but have about 1/8 to 1/4 pit. I want shorter races even if I lose some hunt and nose. Last week I got 2 full kemmer dogs and today I bought a half redbone half pitbull. He is 7 months old and looks good and is gamey.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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hey rueben that smoke dog u r talkin about was one of my best friends dog...there still some of that blood still around
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There is a definite consistancy within line breeding. Look at hatchett,denison,Jim ward ect. Hard culling and line breeding is the ticket!
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Reuben
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hey rueben that smoke dog u r talkin about was one of my best friends dog...there still some of that blood still around [/quote
You talking about Joe Manning?]
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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I agree with earlisbubba, halfbreed, and noelle, bloodlines/history are the most important info. one can count on, refer to, study, research, etc. Also it costs just as much to feed a cull, mutt, etc. as it does to keep the quality.
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If you want consistency, bloodlines and linebreeding are the only way to do it. But now you might get a great dog from any breeding or the pound or in the parking lot of Mc Donalds.. Just don't expect to breed it and get a bunch of hog dogs..
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Our houses are protected by the good lord and a gun, you might meet em both if you show up here unwelcome son..
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Reuben
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If you want consistency, bloodlines and linebreeding are the only way to do it. But now you might get a great dog from any breeding or the pound or in the parking lot of Mc Donalds.. Just don't expect to breed it and get a bunch of hog dogs..
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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cward
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If you want consistency, bloodlines and linebreeding are the only way to do it. But now you might get a great dog from any breeding or the pound or in the parking lot of Mc Donalds.. Just don't expect to breed it and get a bunch of hog dogs..
Mine came from Walmart parking lot thats why i have been able to breed the pretty good and when I need to cull them, I take them back to walmart cause they take everything back.
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Hog hunting can start more crap than anything I have ever seen!(HDLCrystal) Remember John Wayne was just an actor the real cowboys is who he looked up to..........
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If you want consistency, bloodlines and linebreeding are the only way to do it. But now you might get a great dog from any breeding or the pound or in the parking lot of Mc Donalds.. Just don't expect to breed it and get a bunch of hog dogs..
Mine came from Walmart parking lot thats why i have been able to breed the pretty good and when I need to cull them, I take them back to walmart cause they take everything back. You got it figured out .. I'm goin to Wal-Mart..
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Our houses are protected by the good lord and a gun, you might meet em both if you show up here unwelcome son..
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