Nose and Bottom

[ole shep]

I think in these hot dry conditions . It is good to have some hound in your herd. That bieng said my partners dog Mondo stuck infont of two good hounds this morning. But he is a machine. I got one big hound that does not have the wind or bottom of the others. The others seem to have as much or more stamina as a cur.Im sure this is common knowledge to some. And im sure the cur hunters will disagree. But heck thats what we do here. So how many of you guys hunt hounds and curs together and what have you noticed?

[cantexduck]

My hound cross is slow. She has good wind but is slow on track. On the run she can keep up pretty decent with my curs but in a race I think a cur running head up wins over a hound head down any day of the week. We dont get into many races where we hunt, so I cant compare that well just going off what little I have seen.
 The dog I am talking about is blood hound and cat cross(JerryG). She is a big female-80 or so pounds. Loose  bay as they come. Slow on track but learning each hunt. She will stay gone for a while she will be tired when she comes back but will hit the ground running if you drop her again.

[halfbreed]

my hound crosses seem to out class my curs exept for one small framed catahoula gyp i had . but it wasn't the cats fault they are big jug headed 75 & 80# dogs they is built for power not speed .that why i went to the cross more leg. as far as bottem it was close till the next day the curs was kinda stove up after a long day but the crosses act like it wasent nothin to it

[OutlawHogDoggers69]

My hound is fast..! She like runs the trails wide open and ranges out real far and when she comes back she isnt hardly even tired...

[North Cedar Creek Ranch]

I hunt both hound and curs.  My hound may b super slow havent ran him with any other hounds to compare.  Hes good on a cold track but once the curs pick up the track they out run him.  I have ran my curs w other hounds, walkers and plotts and i couldnt really tell the differance n speed but we didnt have a garmin on them either.

[cward]

I like a good hound but I believe to stop a hog you got to put heat on him I ain't  Seen a hound yet that can run nose to nose with a cur.  There are great hounds iv hunted behind several with tons of bottom. But why all that bottom when you got speed that can do it in half the time.lol there again I love a good hound but there will never be one feed on this place. I have no trouble catching hogs or finding hogs in the hot dry heat.

[Reuben]

A good cur can find a hog even in dry conditions. Last week I got a 5 year old mtn cur gyp and a 1 year old mtn cur male pup, both are coon dogs and they are fixing to be hog dogs...Also bought a half redbone half pitbull pup today.. He is 7 months old, gamey and is built for speed and has looks. Time will tell...

I have hunted kemmer and original mtn curs and they can find a pig in most any terrain or weather conditions.

[bigo]

I've hunted with hounds on a regular basis for many years and have never had them outtrail, outrun, or outstay my curs. It took time, hard hunting, and even harder culling to get them like that.

[Centexhogdogger]

I don't understand were yal get a hound being slow and stuff like that.
My walker cross has tons of bottom
And is 100mph out the box and doesn't give up till I call her
Or she gets one. I havnt saw a cur to out do her.

My friend has full walker that is same way....

So I believe it depends on how u start and train em.
Or  a better idea

DONT GET DOG OUT OF JUNK LINES

All hounds I used and saw are 100mph out hunting

[Coady Curbow]

I hunt with curs and hounds.  My Dad breeds the yella dogs.  I've picked up hounds from different places.  All the curs and hounds that we are feeding will either "hog" or go to heaven.  I'm not saying we have the best, but they are sound, functional dogs.

I lean towards the hounds, and my Dad keeps strictly curs.  We hunt together often, so you can imagine the kind of friendly BS that goes on while we are together.  These comparisons really aren't fair because these strains of dogs were developed for different things, but these are some of our observations.

Hounds can take a colder track.
Hounds generally open on track to some degree
Hounds work better if put on a single track at a road crossing

Curs generally don't have as cold a nose (notice I said generally)
Mosts curs are silent
Curs have a natural circling bay that holds hogs better
As a rule curs can pursue jumped game at a faster pace than hounds

I know these are general statements, and I'm talking about dogs out of proven hunting stock(hounds and curs).  I have seen some curs with outstanding noses, and have seen hounds that can run in a "heads up" drifting race with curs.

As a rule, if the hogs are close to where we put the dogs down, Dad's dog strike.  If the hogs have fed early in the night and moved a half a mile, my dogs trail close to it and the curs take over the race when the hog is jumped.

Dad is feeding ten dogs and I have five, but we both agree that the best two of the fifteen is one of his cur gyps and one of my Plotts.  They both can be used for certain hunting scenarios, but they make a heck of a team when you hunt them together.

We have 8 littermate half breed pups scattered throughout our circle of hunting friends that are 11 months old, several of which have found their own hog.  Maybe we can have the best of both worlds.

BTW, I don't think it takes a super fast dog to make a good dog.  Folks that have hunted long have seen the old dog supposedly get smoked by the pups, only to pick up young dogs all over the country and find the old dog bayed, five hours later.(Just food for thought)

[halfbreed]

weel i guess yall got the wrong hound blood i got my runnin walker gyp from a friends friend up in idaho her parents was bear and lion dogs  and they dont use any curs to stop there prey . that walker is as gritty as any cur dog i own and i'm real fond of my catahoula blood pure for hogs but the cross dogs just get it done faster.its a shame it's illiegal in texas now but ya'll should have been in on some of those deer races when it was .them runnin dogs was gone wide open for ever every day !!

[Centexhogdogger]

X2 

NOT EVERY HOUND IS OPEN
NOT EVERY CUR IS SILETN.

NOT EVERY DOG IS A HOG DOG......

[Coady Curbow]

X2 

NOT EVERY HOUND IS OPEN
NOT EVERY CUR IS SILETN.

NOT EVERY DOG IS A HOG DOG......

Now that is the gospel truth!

[tnhillbilly]

Coady curbow,  I couldn't have said it any better.

[ole shep]

Coady Curbow. Thats exactly my thoughts also. I run plotts and my buddies run curs or whatever will find a pig. We have alot of fun. You know I bred two really good Blood Trailing dogs and got a litter of pups. Finally got rid of them to friends and some guys tried them on hogs or cows. My registered lacy  came in and I bred her. I had a waiting list on that litter? So when I started puttting hog dogs together. My goal was to end up with 4 or 5 plott females that will go one or altogether. Im Still not there but its comming. It sure leaves a lot good dogs that I would like to buy. I quit looking at the dog trade. Some sounded right up my ally.