Training vs Genetics.

[TexasHogDogs]

Yeah when he finds a hot hog track he jumps up on a fence post and Crows real loud I dont know if thats open mouthed are not and then at the bay he wants to Peck real hard at a hog and won't Crow so am kinda pissed at him right now anybody want to train this one for me Lmmfao !

[ole shep]

Dang, I finally got it all read. I know one statement to be 100% true. Cantexduck will PO most people.HAHA     ;DHow you doing ole buddy? I would like to see that hound x you got from Jerry G. Bred to trail blood I guess ? Pm me   OK If a coyote pups mother gets called up and shot. And there are no others around most probably don't servive or do they? There are also some that are good at catching food and some that hunt more for carion. There are some dogs that chase birds and some that point them.there are some dogs that catch hogs and some that bay them and some that are scared to death of them. Why is that?I could go on and on. I get good bred plotts and try to train them to do what I want them to do.

[Miller Lite]

I dont see how you train  these well trained dogs  spending so much time on here ... i know mine catch hogs but i hunt them about 5 nights a week sometimes 7 to get them to catch hogs the genetics make them load up an wanna go work every night i dont lead my dogs to the truck i drop the tail gate an unsnap chains  they get in they  aren't no bird dog catahoula pit bull 1/8 redbone or whatever people breed these days  the are geneticly fit yellow black mouth cur dogs who do what they were indeed bred to do all in them genes   

[UNDERDOG]

I have seen breeders makes excuses on why a dog is good and why it has bad days etc...etc...when she comes in heat I will breed her to ole blue.

Dang Ruben......leave ole Blue outa this....what did Jason ever do to you ha ha

[Indian Valley Ranch]

Entertaining thread Mike, had a feeling it would be when I read it this morning  , At the end of the day, and after 8 pages, what are the facts, one is that every respectable dog man I know got started by getting pups or dogs from people that already had good dogs (GENETICS), another is that you can throw back several generations on the different traits in a dog. I beleive these good dogs that turn out from what we think is unproven stock are just drawing something genetically from dogs in there ancestry. Who keeps track of unproven dogs anyway, we make those assumptions because maybe the parents werent hunting dogs. How do we know that it wasnt traits from the great grand sire that allowed the dog to excell in the woods.  All we are doing is putting them in the environment for these traits to be exposed. If you want to call that training, its a free country, but it all goes back to genetics, thats why you dont see any long range, cold nosed bulldogs and why you dont see very many lights out staight cur catchdogs. You can train all day, but for the most part, those traits just arent in the gene pool. When I use the word training, its just a figure of speech, we used to have an old gyp that I would still call a puppy trainer, seemed like she would come get a young dog that just wanted to hang around and before you know it, he would be out there hunting with her all day. She did this with just about every CUR we started with her. Keep in mind, we were hunting horse back and running a bulldog or a bulldogXcur loose as a catchdog. Why is it that she never trained the first bulldog or cross to go hunt? They were right there and had the same opportunity as the cur pups had. Could it be GENETICS  , just something to think about       

[tnhillbilly]

My experience is.........they gotta have it in em, in order to get it out.
This line of plotts have been bred for generations to hunt hog and bear. seen several yr old pups strike and run a track, first time out, without any help or training.
  The man I buy my plotts from lets his pups run loose, turned loose on a bear that ran about 4 mI. And 4 month old pup was at the tree, treeing. And one of the pups I referred to striking and running track straight off the  chain are littermates.
Had some that all I done was put in a pen couple times, and first time ,out struck out of the box, turned loose, and had a sow bayed with no help.
    I also had one that I drug around forever, and the night I went lookin for him to cull him, low and behold the switch flipped, and ended up being probly one of the best coondogs I ever owned. BUT, he had it in him to start with, just took longer to get it out.
Dont know much about, training or genetics, all i know is what ive seen. I have waisted countless hrs on dogs that were just dogs, and made coondogs dogs out of some but, when I started buying these line bred dogs out of proven dogs I found that there wasn't near the "training". Just took them and turn them loose, with a little guidance .

[Reuben]

Tom,

one day I might want one of those Plotts. Sounds like that breeder knows dogs and can breed better dogs.

Bryant, I won't bring up ole blue again...

[chainrated]

Aight so after 8 pages of discussion we have learned that a "trainer"  given about 10,000 bucks and 3 years and 100,000 acres of land, MIGHT be able to train a cull to be a hogdog BUT no guarantees.. LOL..
Yeah I think I'll just stick with the good genetics and culling... 

[Bryant]

Yep...8 pages and still no one has suggested how you train a hog dog.  Some have suggested that training is nothing more than running an older dog with a pup.  That being said...what constitutes a good "trainer"?  One who has a better older dog to use than someone else?

In my mind, though some may disagree the term "training" means a human hand in one way or another.  Providing a dog opportunity, and training are two different things.  I've never "trained" a hog dog, but I have many that I have bred well and then given opportunity to develop into what they became all the while trying to not hinder them along the way.  I feed my dogs, clean up the crap and take them to the woods.  Nature does the rest.

[ric.o]

well sd bryant. I believe chain,u and I are on the same page.

[Centexhogdogger]

i dont want a bet cause i dont got the money to pay.
i get back to waco tx aug 15.
now i can do like ole boy said earlier on that he will drop off a dog and give me a year and if he a HOG DOG then he will buy him bak
if u bring me a dog that is hog dog bread like cur, cat ,walker  i dont want a lab or heeler lol.
and bring year supply of dog food i will have him hunting and baying a hog.
i cant garentee stopping a hog.
 
i got a hound cross  Dad came of tshelly on here dad was open from what he said.
both pups i had off him was completly silent. Genetics???  MORE LIKE LUCK

NOT EVERY HOUND IS OPEN
NOT EVERY CUR IS SILETN.

NOT EVERY DOG IS A HOG DOG......  THIS IS MAINLY HEART NOT GENETICS.

[Mike]

i dont want a bet cause i dont got the money to pay.
i get back to waco tx aug 15.
now i can do like ole boy said earlier on that he will drop off a dog and give me a year and if he a HOG DOG then he will buy him bak
if u bring me a dog that is hog dog bread like cur, cat ,walker  i dont want a lab or heeler lol.
and bring year supply of dog food i will have him hunting and baying a hog.
i cant garentee stopping a hog.
 
i got a hound cross  Dad came of tshelly on here dad was open from what he said.
both pups i had off him was completly silent. Genetics???  MORE LIKE LUCK

NOT EVERY HOUND IS OPEN
NOT EVERY CUR IS SILETN.

NOT EVERY DOG IS A HOG DOG......  THIS IS MAINLY HEART NOT GENETICS.

Are you serious???

[Centexhogdogger]

yea im serious. 
there is so much argueing and the last page kinda pisssed me off they was pretty much leading
to dog trainers are scared of the deal
ill train a dog just for the bragging rights. Cause it can be done.
i will run them with my best dog   LONG RANGE and hope he eventually takes to her hunting style.
but ill get him goin weather its 100yrds or 1 mile

[Circle C]

i dont want a bet cause i dont got the money to pay.
i get back to waco tx aug 15.
now i can do like ole boy said earlier on that he will drop off a dog and give me a year and if he a HOG DOG then he will buy him bak
if u bring me a dog that is hog dog bread like cur, cat ,walker  i dont want a lab or heeler lol.
and bring year supply of dog food i will have him hunting and baying a hog.
i cant garentee stopping a hog.

If I am understanding this right, you want someone to bring you a dog that is genetically predisposed to hunt and bay game, and you will have it doing what it is bred to do within a year....   Man you must be one hell of a dog trainer.

[Centexhogdogger]

i just think i can... i have trained some culls before.
my father in law has trained dogs i never thought could be.
he has his pups started at 8wks
Me and him will get the dog going.
but if he turns out in a year who ever dog it is will have to pay what he worth.
Mike if its u i just want money for food and maybe a little extra in the end u know

[Centexhogdogger]

im going to get off here so anyone interested

TXT ME 254-366-0315

well settle this with TRAINING

[ric.o]

Is ninja going under the name centexhogdooger now?

[Centexhogdogger]

No rico.  My name is Trey
I alway been centexhogdogger

[LionandBoarHunter]

centexhodogger i would send a dog to you for nothin by reading thru your posts your a dog trader i would be scarred you sale or trade my dog off in about a week

[cantexduck]

Centex, I have a dog for you. Let me know when you want to meet.