Training vs Genetics.

[Kessling Kennels]

Im really the only one that has anything to loose.

A Dog trainer could really make a name for himself right here

[cward]

Ain't  non of ya'll  no what your talking about. Send me your dog a pack of Oscar Myer Weiners only the ones made with pork cause I don't  want them to be trashing on chickens. Make sure the dog comes from walmart parking lot that way if I can't  train him then I can take him back. On make sure its a female cause they take to wiennies better than males. If you need any training advice on dogs call  me any time. I own several guns that will train most dogs to find there way home.
 

[Centexhogdogger]

Let me see if my truck sales and when I get back
If it does il buy him and do the deal


What do u want the dog to do when u pick him up
Seriously

Like would hunting 200yrds and find pig work
Would him beside u and hit a trail to hunt work

Like wat would u want

[Kessling Kennels]

Read my post about the deal that I've made.

Must hunt out 500+ yards,stop a runner,bay etc...

In a yr If this dog will do these things I will buy him back for $7500
If he will not do these things I walk off and you own a $500 POS.

[cantexduck]

 

Im really the only one that has anything to loose.

A Dog trainer could really make a name for himself right here

 Seems they ran off........

$7,500 would buy alot of school supplys.

  True.

I can just imagine the poor dog in question for this bet... I bet he's a specimen...  

 
    So is that a no to the bet Kessling is offering?

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Ain't  non of ya'll  no what your talking about. Send me your dog a pack of Oscar Myer Weiners only the ones made with pork cause I don't  want them to be trashing on chickens. Make sure the dog comes from walmart parking lot that way if I can't  train him then I can take him back. On make sure its a female cause they take to wiennies better than males. If you need any training advice on dogs call  me any time. I own several guns that will train most dogs to find there way home.
 

Great post sir.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

... why are folks with good lines and line bred dogs the ones that don't distribute their pups to just anybody? I know the answer for me but what's some other answers? Are they really not that great?

Hahaha...because there are a lot of people who would try to reproduce them, call them "their line" and attempt to make a buck off someone else's hard work and dedication.  

I'll also say that most people with good lines also don't breed until they have a need.  Usually pups are kept, or if there DOES happen to be any extras they are spoken for long before the breeding ever took place.
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People with good lines also VERY seldom buy dogs.

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Excellent quote bro!  Been keeping up with this thread and this is the most wholesome down to earth speaking from experience quote so far.  110% my thoughts as well.

X200

[Stick]

I gave a pup outta my dogs that came from Randy wright to a buddy that lives in a neighborhood in magnolia   He raised the dog to be a house dog   At a little over a year old he took the dog to his in laws land where the dog saw his first cow   He bunched them and bayed for several hours all by himself until was called off I'd say genetics played a large roll

[geronimo]

I gave a pup outta my dogs that came from Randy wright to a buddy that lives in a neighborhood in magnolia   He raised the dog to be a house dog   At a little over a year old he took the dog to his in laws land where the dog saw his first cow   He bunched them and bayed for several hours all by himself until was called off I'd say genetics played a large roll

  the cows prob been worked by dogs before and my wifes lap dog will run and stand nose to nose with a cow, as long as she dont try to catch why would the cows break? now if the dog trailed and bunched up a herd of cows in the woods and bayed that long on some woods cows then you might impress me?

[geronimo]

Read my post about the deal that I've made.

Must hunt out 500+ yards,stop a runner,bay etc...

In a yr If this dog will do these things I will buy him back for $7500
If he will not do these things I walk off and you own a $500 POS.

  enough big talk. just hunt the perfect line bred dogs you have, you shouldnt need better dogs? 50,000 dollars your genetic dogs should be top notch. people always want to use big talk and money to scare someone out of a bet? just have an opinion and voice it without all the challenging? sorry to sound like a smart azz but man this was a good topic but it been beat to death...

[jdt]

who started all this crap anyways    he oughtta be banned for life ! lol

[Kessling Kennels]

Geronimo,

Im not trying to improve my kennels,Im very happy with them.
If you read all the post you would have learned that there were a couple of so called Dog trainers stating that they could take any old dog and make it hunt.
This was and still is a bet If you would like to try it than my offer still stands.
My money should not scare anyone off of a bet,If they could perform the task that they claim to do than it should be a no brainer.
I get sick of people that talk all this BS and run like a puppy when they get called up.
If a man cant fight than he should not crawl  in the ring with the wolves.

This is what's wrong with our country today NO Backbone!

Geronimo-This is not directed to you personally,You struck the match and Im pissing on the fire.

[Stick]

I gave a pup outta my dogs that came from Randy wright to a buddy that lives in a neighborhood in magnolia   He raised the dog to be a house dog   At a little over a year old he took the dog to his in laws land where the dog saw his first cow   He bunched them and bayed for several hours all by himself until was called off I'd say genetics played a large roll

  the cows prob been worked by dogs before and my wifes lap dog will run and stand nose to nose with a cow, as long as she dont try to catch why would the cows break? now if the dog trailed and bunched up a herd of cows in the woods and bayed that long on some woods cows then you might impress me?

I wasn't trying to impress you I was giving my thoughts on the subject, FYI the cows wernt dog broke maybe ur lap dogs are as good as my curs

[geronimo]

I gave a pup outta my dogs that came from Randy wright to a buddy that lives in a neighborhood in magnolia   He raised the dog to be a house dog   At a little over a year old he took the dog to his in laws land where the dog saw his first cow   He bunched them and bayed for several hours all by himself until was called off I'd say genetics played a large roll

  the cows prob been worked by dogs before and my wifes lap dog will run and stand nose to nose with a cow, as long as she dont try to catch why would the cows break? now if the dog trailed and bunched up a herd of cows in the woods and bayed that long on some woods cows then you might impress me?

I wasn't trying to impress you I was giving my thoughts on the subject, FYI the cows wernt dog broke maybe ur lap dogs are as good as my curs

   no im sorry for sounding like a jerk. im sure it offended you but im reading the opinions here and its very intresting subject, but it seems the genetics group is gang piling the trainers, so i was picking out some of the things that could be loop holes. by the way, i belive in the genetics to a degree but at the same time i have seen what i call dog men work and spend alot of time in the wood with their dog and  i know for a fact the dog could have never been that good in someone elses yard. so training can make a difference in a dog.

[Kessling Kennels]

I know a few good dog men myself and they are very good at what they do"I wish I had that much time and patience".
Again most will not spend that much time with a dog unless they know it has enough will to hunt in them such as Genetics.
Most good dog men have their own line they have been working with for yrs and their dad's probably ran the same line for yrs before that.
Teaching a dog to load,sit,lead,etc... are very nice extras in the woods but it does not make a great hog dog in my eyes.
Some of the best I've ever hunted behind belonged to other people I could not even put my hands on them,But they were super stars when you turned them out.
Im the 1st to get in someones azz and I will apoligize if Ive pissed anyone off kinda my lifestyle

[Centexhogdogger]

Hey I just throwin this out there

A dog does not have to have the genetics to want to pls the owner
Or to learn to hunt

It just has to have heart

[Kessling Kennels]

Your correct Heart comes from genetics.
Genetics = Traits such as Heart,Will to go the extra mile,brains,etc... You breed to improve genetics.
Example: Male dog that hunts out long range,very independent,ruff as hell,etc....
If your looking  to breed some of that grit out of them you would look for a female that has traits that you desire and not real ruff.

In these pups your gonna have, say you have a female that wont hunt out by herself then you would look for a longer range more  independent  male.
This can go anyway that you like.
This is genetics 101 plan and simple.

If you take two dogs and breed them and neither one will hunt hogs these two don't care desired genetics to waist your time with in most cases.
Sure there are freaks of nature but if your breeding for diffrent traits in a pair you are breeding for genetics.

[Centexhogdogger]

See I had and my buddy each got a catahoula
Blip line was petagread
The parents was cow dogs and just breading
None was hunting background
Well as far as my petagree went

And turned out great bay pen dogs
And great hunting dogs

It's like humans

Traits are passed to kids like muscle
And speed u know normal

Well if a person that has no traits like that
Can train hard and become that

[Kessling Kennels]

You guy that raise Dogos should know alot about genetics good and bad.
Dogos care several genetic disorders such as:
Deafness
Skin problems
Hip Dysplasia

These are undisired genetics.
You sure would not want to breed two dogs that you knew carried these traits.
These are bad genetics.

Good genetics:
Toughness
Heart
Easy handle
Will to please
Etc...............

[Centexhogdogger]

I'm not sayin genetics don't make every dog
Some dogs that have no hunting genetics make dogs