Training vs Genetics.

[Kessling Kennels]

I dont know you at all Im giving an example here:
If a guy that is 150lbs  5'5" eats correct and works out everyday he will never be 6'5" 250# because he does not have the genetic makeup to be that size.

If a guy is 5'5" no matter how hard he trains will probably not ever win the slam dunk contest in the NBA.
Unless your spud Web

[Stick]

I gave a pup outta my dogs that came from Randy wright to a buddy that lives in a neighborhood in magnolia   He raised the dog to be a house dog   At a little over a year old he took the dog to his in laws land where the dog saw his first cow   He bunched them and bayed for several hours all by himself until was called off I'd say genetics played a large roll

  the cows prob been worked by dogs before and my wifes lap dog will run and stand nose to nose with a cow, as long as she dont try to catch why would the cows break? now if the dog trailed and bunched up a herd of cows in the woods and bayed that long on some woods cows then you might impress me?

Totally agree

I wasn't trying to impress you I was giving my thoughts on the subject, FYI the cows wernt dog broke maybe ur lap dogs are as good as my curs

   no im sorry for sounding like a jerk. im sure it offended you but im reading the opinions here and its very intresting subject, but it seems the genetics group is gang piling the trainers, so i was picking out some of the things that could be loop holes. by the way, i belive in the genetics to a degree but at the same time i have seen what i call dog men work and spend alot of time in the wood with their dog and  i know for a fact the dog could have never been that good in someone elses yard. so training can make a difference in a dog.

[big D]

ive been on both sides ive tooking puond dogs and made good ones and rasied a few but to me is all on how you pick your dogs.

[Stick]

I agree 100%

[Centexhogdogger]

X2
That what I been tryin to say

[houndsofhell55]

i train dogs for a living and 99% of it is genetics theres one everynow and then that makes a great hogdog but if a dog dont have heart he ant gonna make in my kennels.You cant make a dog hunt if dont want to hunt.You cant make a dog be ruff if it isnt ruff thats just how it is.If a dog is short ranged you cant make him go a mile to find a hog if somone on here thinks they can come down i want to see it done...

[Reuben]

You cant make a dog hunt if dont want to hunt.You cant make a dog be ruff if it isnt ruff thats just how it is.If a dog is short ranged you cant make him go a mile to find a hog if somone on here thinks they can come down i want to see it done...

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[BigCutters4]

good genetics gives a trainer something  easier to work with

[TexasHogDogs]

I dont know you at all Im giving an example here:
If a guy that is 150lbs  5'5" eats correct and works out everyday he will never be 6'5" 250# because he does not have the genetic makeup to be that size.

If a guy is 5'5" no matter how hard he trains will probably not ever win the slam dunk contest in the NBA.
Unless your spud Web

I don't know how it gets any more simple than this statement if people cannot understand that might was well give up .

[cantexduck]

See I had and my buddy each got a catahoula
Blip line was petagread
The parents was cow dogs and just breading
None was hunting background
Well as far as my petagree went

And turned out great bay pen dogs
And great hunting dogs

It's like humans

Traits are passed to kids like muscle
And speed u know normal

Well if a person that has no traits like that
Can train hard and become that

  I have no idea what you are saying.

You guy that raise Dogos should know alot about genetics good and bad.
Dogos care several genetic disorders such as:
Deafness
Skin problems
Hip Dysplasia

These are undisired genetics.
You sure would not want to breed two dogs that you knew carried these traits.
These are bad genetics.

Good genetics:
Toughness
Heart
Easy handle
Will to please
Etc...............

  Nice post and Tarr or is that an ibex? Small picture.

[Kessling Kennels]

I've tryed to explain it but I give up.
I hope all the pound dogs turn out for those guys.
And apperantly it can't be done ,none of the real dog trainer have stepped up for the deal I offered.
Come on guys you will work with a dog for 2 yrs and sell them for $800 to $1500 but wont take one for a yr and make $7500.

[Kessling Kennels]

cantexduck,

Asian Ibex

[sfboarbuster]

See I had and my buddy each got a catahoula
Blip line was petagread
The parents was cow dogs and just breading
None was hunting background
Well as far as my petagree went

And turned out great bay pen dogs
And great hunting dogs

It's like humans

Traits are passed to kids like muscle
And speed u know normal

Well if a person that has no traits like that
Can train hard and become that

So these catahoulas came out of cowdogs, correct?

Do you know most all cur dogs that we use on hogs came from cowdogs somewhere down the line?

[treeingratterrier]

I've tryed to explain it but I give up.
I hope all the pound dogs turn out for those guys.
And apperantly it can't be done ,none of the real dog trainer have stepped up for the deal I offered.
Come on guys you will work with a dog for 2 yrs and sell them for $800 to $1500 but wont take one for a yr and make $7500.

Putting on Devils advocate Hat, How about all of the pound dog trainers take up a collection and buy a pup from your bloodline, then the pound  and you train it to go 500 yards, bark off the hood, turn on Klingon Cloaking Device when dumped off and  follow a hog 3 miles  by itself and bay up hogs and drive them to a pen and close the gate and lock it's by itself.  If your super dog to die for strain does not do what you require the dog trainers to do you pay $7500 to them??   Surely your offer is good for the goose as well as the gander???  LOL  just stiring the pot for the dog pound kettle mutts i got....What say ye???

[ole shep]

Kessling, Would you please just front him the dog before I do something stupid. I would like for the trainer to post weekly proggress reports. Cut the buy back price down.Im curius of out come because im hauling a dark brindle that does the same thing.And she probably has a brother or sister that is looking at a bear, lion or boar right now. She is progressing oh so slowly.

[geronimo]

I've tryed to explain it but I give up.
I hope all the pound dogs turn out for those guys.
And apperantly it can't be done ,none of the real dog trainer have stepped up for the deal I offered.
Come on guys you will work with a dog for 2 yrs and sell them for $800 to $1500 but wont take one for a yr and make $7500.

Putting on Devils advocate Hat, How about all of the pound dog trainers take up a collection and buy a pup from your bloodline, then the pound  and you train it to go 500 yards, bark off the hood, turn on Klingon Cloaking Device when dumped off and  follow a hog 3 miles  by itself and bay up hogs and drive them to a pen and close the gate and lock it's by itself.  If your super dog to die for strain does not do what you require the dog trainers to do you pay $7500 to them??   Surely your offer is good for the goose as well as the gander???  LOL  just stiring the pot for the dog pound kettle mutts i got....What say ye???

  there you go...

[Centexhogdogger]

See i understand about my cat being out cow dogs
That what I'm stating
Even if there parents are good don't mean pups won't be
Everydog had to have some training
Every litter has duds

I'm not sayin every dog makes a dog
Read my signature

My best dogs dad was open like no other
And she is silents

Were arguing does training help just as much as grntics
And yes it does

Dang if ya u want to front the dog free
I will give it hell of a shot on training

Houndsofhell
Trains his dogs great
I got one my best from him
But she was stolen and never got her back.

[Scott]

Since you mentioned houndsofhell...did read his thoughts on this subject.

i train dogs for a living and 99% of it is genetics theres one everynow and then that makes a great hogdog but if a dog dont have heart he ant gonna make in my kennels.You cant make a dog hunt if dont want to hunt.You cant make a dog be ruff if it isnt ruff thats just how it is.If a dog is short ranged you cant make him go a mile to find a hog if somone on here thinks they can come down i want to see it done...

[Centexhogdogger]

Yea that what I'm sayn
Not all dogs have heart to hunt
But that don't mean anythin about the genetics
There can be a dog out of awsome lines that a dud
There can be dog out of number 2ty lines that makes great dog
It all depends on dog
But
Yes on buyin dogs I would follow genetics first

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Yea that what I'm sayn
Not all dogs have heart to hunt
But that don't mean anythin about the genetics
There can be a dog out of awsome lines that a dud
There can be dog out of number 2ty lines that makes great dog
It all depends on dog
But
Yes on buyin dogs I would follow genetics first

How many dogs have you owned?  How many were solely trained by you?