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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2011, 06:37:30 pm » |
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How do those leased bulls no end up with Trich? Do they just give trich guard or something to keep them from getting it? Seems like it could be a bad deal waiting to happen.
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2011, 10:45:34 pm » |
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good freind of mine is a genex salesman. he does AIing on small bunches like that. he says you can breed to the best bulls in the nation way cheaper than owning one, but then again, he's a genex salesman....
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2011, 01:32:06 am » |
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cornerstone ranch in ft sumner nm has some good black bulls for a really low price. Its cheaper to buy the young bull and breed to it for a few years for us as we are limited on resources for the AI portion of the beef industry where we have the ranch
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2011, 04:14:58 pm » |
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How do those leased bulls no end up with Trich? Do they just give trich guard or something to keep them from getting it? Seems like it could be a bad deal waiting to happen.
I ave no Idea, but he leases a lot of bulls, or did when it still rained. If you want, I can get the name and number and you can ask any thing you want. he says call and he'll answer any questions. |
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2011, 01:24:03 am » |
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Silverton did a good job on numbers. $3000 will get you an extremely nice bull right now with $2500 getting you a really nice bull. Lets say you buy a $2500 dollar bull and base everything on 90% calf crop which means 13.5 calves per year so we will say 13.
1 year 2500/13=192 per calf salvage value (being very conservative) 1500lbs*.55=825 so 2500-825=1675/13=128
2 years 2500/26= 96 per calf 1675/26=64
3 years 2500/39=64 per calf 1675/39=43
These numbers don't account for feed, hay, vaccines, etc. but should give you a good idea.
If you buy a young bull it shouldn't be a problem getting 3 years out of him.
If you buy a bull look at epd's and base them off of the breed average. (in your case birth weight and weaning weight are most important)
Sell everything that doesnt have a calf and replcace cause the ones that don't reproduce still eat.
Leasing is also a good option for a small number of cows.
Is there any particular reason you are calving in fall?
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2011, 01:27:53 am » |
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How do those leased bulls no end up with Trich? Do they just give trich guard or something to keep them from getting it? Seems like it could be a bad deal waiting to happen.
If I had to guess I would say they just trich test bulls after use and if they test positive then the leasee buys the bull. |
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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2011, 09:19:35 am » |
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Is there any particular reason you are calving in fall?
My line of thinking is this. As a general rule in my area, the fall is dryer than the spring. And our winters are mild, since the gulf keeps our temperature somewhat warmer than places just 50 miles away from us. I will already be feeding a supplement in the winter, and I have a source for 17% protein, 5% fat feed at $9.50 cwt, so I don't mind feeding some extra in the winter to wet cows. I'd like to think that I can calve in October /November, then have spring and summer pasture for the calves, and sell as feeders in August... Now there may be tons of holes in my plan, and I am certainly open to suggestion, but that's where I am at currently. |
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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2011, 10:18:36 pm » |
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I would say buy a bull the work that goes into ai is not worth it. My dad ai's it ain't worth it. Not for commercial cattle.
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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2011, 10:21:08 pm » |
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I would say buy a bull the work that goes into ai is not worth it. My dad ai's it ain't worth it. Not for commercial cattle.
ai is worth it when you are producing the super bulls and cows but ai for commercial cattle seems like overkill without the benefits |
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