Black Perry Dogs (UPDATE on 2nd Book!! 60 copies available)

[Noah]

Noah some are shorter ranged. I've seen more than one that seem to get disinterested at the bay and would rather leave and go find another hog. As soon as the hog breaks they are right back at it. 2 gyps in particular would just roll off and go find another hog if a few other dogs were bayed with them.

That's crazy right there... I guess they're perty loose bayin' dogs?  Sound more like a hound dog

[bigo]

All these years telling people I didn't need any hound in my dogs, come to find out, I allready had it.

[TShelly]

Big O: so is this the same Big Boy that Blondie was snuck into the ranch and bred to?

[bigo]

From what I get reading the part out of the book, the Big Boy Mr. Perry talked about was born in the 1950's. The Big Boy Ricky bred to was around '74 or '75. CWards uncle said there were two Big Boys, a junior and senior. I wish someone that knows Mr. Perry would ask him what he thought.

[TShelly]

Ok I just got off the phone with Mr. Perry. It seems there will be a second book that is just now being published and will be out soon. His 2 daughters were the ones that took his stories and put them together on a computer for the editor and publishing company. Well when that happenedthe girls lost about 30 of the stories...

These 30 stories have since been recovered and with a good few more added to them. The editor on this 2nd book is much more involved and has made Mr. perry go back and write alot more and constantly asking him questions. If you read the first book alot of it is written as a journal would be. Short or incomplete sentences and so on. This 2nd book has been put together in a much more organized fashion and grammatical sense. Everyone thinks it's a much better improvement on the first in that sense.

Also in the 2nd book there is a dog pedigree tree going back as far as he can remember with owner names attached to each dog and so on. He told me it would be in in a few weeks. It's called A Diamond In the Rough ... Cowboying Around. It'll be carried in most book stores like Hastings and such as his first is or you can contact him and he will mail you a copy out. Can't wait for this 2nd book to get here. Together the 2 will provide a great bit of history to the working dogs around this area


Big O: I spoke with him about Big Boy and he knew the other dog in the 70's.. We got off subject before I could find out if it was out of the original or not

[T.Angel]

    yea Tony i cant waitfor the New book to come out

[Bigdog]

used to know mr. perry an his family.n e one have a number i could reach him at.

[khildreth]

 

[Yeller]

Ya Killin Me Man!! Somebody's gotta find out about the second Big Boy dog !!    LOL

[bighogtexasstyle]

who is curtis bennet and who owned woodruff's ranch?louis woodruff the sherrif of san jacinto county?curtis bennet of oakhurst texas?

[bighogtexasstyle]

Noah some are shorter ranged. I've seen more than one that seem to get disinterested at the bay and would rather leave and go find another hog. As soon as the hog breaks they are right back at it. 2 gyps in particular would just roll off and go find another hog if a few other dogs were bayed with them.

That's crazy right there... I guess they're perty loose bayin' dogs?  Sound more like a hound dog

what they are my friend are old type fine dogs.they know their JOB when you get to the bay they roll out and find the next hog in the bunch i've been fortunate to have owned three''FINE DOGS''in thirty plus years of hog hunting.once you see one work you will never forget him.the best one i ever owned would not stop till you caught every hog in the bunch or  you lost him.

[Noah]

Now those three dogs... did they come out like that or did they turn into that after a PILE of work....?

[bighogtexasstyle]

Now those three dogs... did they come out like that or did they turn into that after a PILE of work....?

they were natural's
all from the same dog stock.
just bred a line breeding with two first cousins raising three pups now with old blood.

[PerryGal]

Hi, I'm Lloyd's oldest daughter & I know that so many of you make up a part of my Dad's life and I want to say thank you. My sister & I have been years trying to pull him into this century, and have made some progress, ex. he has a phone! We're working on getting him a facebook account but he has found out he would be required to have a cellphone or computer, so we've been set back to square 1!
 In reply to the inquiry of Dad's location; he's just off of Hwy 90 in Singleton, TX; County Road 176. The 1st drive on your right will take you to the house. If you take the 2nd right  turn off of CR 176, you'll be @ his hog station (he's a hog buyer for some outfit, I've forgotten the name). Anyway, this area of TX is saturated with Perry's and as far as I know, their all kin! lol (if Dad doesn't know the Family Tree ties, go on down CR 176, around the 1st curve (by the cemetery) and straight on down the drive in front of you; this is his sister's home, she knows everything!lol & is my favorite aunt!)
 I haven't known Dad to not talk to anyone who was talking about hogs, dogs, horses, cattle, or Christ! Any other subject you're taking a chance! To the guy who put down the book, "A Lasting Impression, Cowboying Around", pick it back up. Dad has also been there and had that done to him. If it makes you feel differently about reading it, take the book to Dad and exchange it for another and have it signed! Ty, you won't have to wait much longer! We should be receiving copies of the new book, A Diamond in the Rough, soon, but they won't be available to the public sales until October/Novemeber. (Great gifts for you hard to buy people!) Thanks again for the quality each of you add to my Dad's life! L

[firemedic]

Good luck bringing Mr. Perry into this century,...lol I live in Alabama and I've been reading some of this about your Dad and I plan on buying both his books. This is extremely interesting as well as entertaining to me. I sure do wish that I lived closer to y'all, it would be a genuine pleasure to stop by and talk dogs, hogs, horses and Christ with him. If my travels ever bring me through that country you can bet a stop at Mr. Perry's will be in the plan for me. You guys on here that can hunt and visit with such a gentleman are certainly blessed I say.

Thank you for helping your Dad put all this knowledge and wisdom in print for those of us that value such things, so we can share in his life and learn from all he has to share.

[Bar W]

This is great stuff ordered the first book and I'll be on the lookout for the next one as well. I listened to my grandpa talk about the dogs of his youth when I was younger and never realized until later that not only was it interesting but you learn from each story. An old timer with knowledge and wisdom who is willing to share is priceless.

[TColt]

Just odered the book! Sounds like a good one. Can someone post some pictures of these Perry dogs?

[TShelly]

Some of ours..










blaster.. His sire was CB

[Wmwendler]

Tony.....that is good to hear about a second book.  I have also used to trace my dogs back to the 50's using Lloyd's book but there are some gaps here and there.  I to have wondered about the bigboy talked about in the book and wether or not it was the same one I heard about here on the net being a big foundation BMC dog.  I talked to BigO about it before and we came to the same limited conclusion then as metioned previously in this thread.................the dates do not match up.  Maybe with more heads in the game we can figure somthing else out.

Someone asked for some photos so Ill post up what I have.....
I've hunted some with Mr. Lloyd Perry but mostly with his late brother Hershel Perry and his sons and grandsons.

Some pictures of Perry dogs and Hunts with the Perry family

Current dogs I hunt
Newt My new 8 month old pup from the Perrys.  AND the brindle is Parris an 8 year old Gyp I raised, tight bred by my dad out of Perry stock.

Monk....Litermate to Paris

Lana another littermate to Paris I raised but sold to Harry on the boards here...he goes by hogbusters I think.

Rattle...Sire to above dogs. Bred by the Late Hershel Perry owned by my Dad.  Out of Loretta (a Dixie daughter)  and Flip a dog of Harry Kenney's.  14 or 15 years old still hunted occasionally seen more hogs than most hog hunters.  I've hunted with this dog since I was 10 years old.

Here is a picture from a hunt on the Newton Ranch about 20 years ago with Hershel Perry, Hershel Perry Jr., and R. P. Wagner (the man who introduced my dad to the Perry's)  I'm the kid with the single shot 22.  If you look the black dogs are in the background in the truck.

Jake....bred by Hershel Perry owned by his grandson.  Out of Lorretta and by the dog CB.  Sire to my new pup.  This dog just recently passed away.

Some more dogs bred by Hershel that were owned by his son in law.

[Wmwendler]

Noah......you asked what is special about them.  Well here is my 2 cents on the subject.

First and foremost they are well bred stock dogs unique to this area of Texas.  They are a true old style cur dog in my opinion, They can be used equally as well on cattle or hogs, guard the house, Tree varmints, ect.  They have a stock working instinct that I find is lacking in allot of hog dogs even other cur dogs.  They just have the instinct and finess to work livestock putting enough pressure at the right times and not putting too much pressure at the wrong times.  As far as hog hunting traits go well Bottom comes to mind first. Most of them have more bottom than most people care for.  A very high working drive that comes natural..... they just need to be exposed and the rest is instinct.  Built for speed and the stamina to be worked hard all day and many days in a row with very little rest in between.  Longevity..... they will live and be huntable for a long time.  Hunting these dogs has made me come to expect a dog to be productive past 10 years.  Smarts.....something thats hard to put into words, but they just have a way of getting hogs found, getting them bayed, and not getting cut to chit in the process, and making it look easy at the same time.  

I would definately say Perry dogs are not like a hound.  There may be a hound or two the mix from days gone by, but if you ask me, they did a good job of breeding it out of them.    I would not call them cold nosed at all expecially when compared to hounds.  They dont mess with old stuff like a hound will but work fresh sign like a cur should. Now they very well might make big loops looking for fresh sign and take fresh sent a LONG way to locate a hog, but none of the ones Ive hunted behind ever worked what i would call cold scent.  The really good ones WILL make a hound look foolish though.   .  I can say with certainty, and from personaly experience, that Hershel Perry Sr. did not like hounds, dogs with thick tails or bulldog heads, basically anything other than a cur.  But expecially hounds.  And If you brought one on a hunt he envited you on, he would let you know about it.  Ofcourse he did it in his own polite yet straight forward way.  A way that made you ashamed, and appreciative at the same time and also make you wonder to yourself why you would ever bring such a mongrel on a hunt.

They have a high tendancy to roll out.  In my opinion that is the stock breeding shining.  They know more hogs are in the area and have the instinct and desire the "gather them ALL up".  Much like a cow dog will roll off a bay to bring a break away back in.  My dad says Dixie could count... she knew how many hogs were in the bunch when she started it and would not quit untill they were all caught or dead.  Once on a hunt a the Newton Ranch...R. P. Wagner said F*** the hogs just catch that black dog (referring to Dixie).  They produce consistantly.  No line of dogs turns out super stars in every littler and not every pup from a litter will even make the grade. But in my experience they will produce a higher percentage that make good using dogs.  They are a pleasure to own and hunt behind.  They may no suit everybody but they certainly do suit me.

Waylon