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i agree with you CirlceC...I have always been an advocate for stiffer penalties for stuff like that.
give you an example of why it chaps me so bad....In the State of Texas if you have EVER been convicted of ANY charge of family violence you cannot purchase nor posses a firearm. Thats fine and good, except.....(and i have seen this happen dozens of times)
you (not being anyone inparticular) and your wife get into an argument. Neighbors hear yall and call the law. I (or any other officer) shows up to investigate. Pissed off wife says you shoved her. She writes out a statement declaring this is true. I am forced to arrest you, State of Texas says that I HAVE TO. its a class C misd. same degree charge as a speeding ticket. Now, you being the good ole boy that spends his days working and weekends hunting and aint never been in any trouble before is in jail. here comes good ole boy justice of the peace and arraigns you. tells you that their is a $500 fine for assault family violence, but since you spent the night in jail if you just plea guilty he will show time served and you get to pack up and leave for free. sounds good. you sign the papers and walk out the door.
you plead guilty to a family violence charge. you will NEVER buy another firearm or be able to legally posses one....yes its a flawed system
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« Reply #81 on: August 25, 2011, 11:05:51 am » |
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you probably right but it aint just them. there is thousands of family violence activist out thers that push this stuff.
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« Reply #82 on: August 25, 2011, 11:15:37 am » |
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Accusations of child molestation and fire arms/destructive device wrong doings... wow sounds just like federal claims before the Branch Davidians were burned alive. I think if the ATF were "investigating" me I'd hoof it too. And once the FBI gets involved, there is no telling whose wife they are going to shoot and whose children they'll burn alive. Pardon some of us for being leery of large over powered federal police forces. I do not think the federal government is evil. Its just too big and inhuman. Its agencies are vast bloated organizations run by beaurocrats. By their very nature they WILL trample over individuals.
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« Reply #83 on: August 25, 2011, 11:17:21 am » |
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Accusations of child molestation and fire arms/destructive device wrong doings... wow sounds just like federal claims before the Branch Davidians were burned alive. I think if the ATF were "investigating" me I'd hoof it too. And once the FBI gets involved, there is no telling whose wife they are going to shoot and whose children they'll burn alive. Pardon some of us for being leery of large over powered federal police forces. I do not think the federal government is evil. Its just too big and inhuman. Its agencies are vast bloated organizations run by beaurocrats. By their very nature they WILL trample over individuals.
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« Reply #84 on: August 25, 2011, 11:17:34 am » |
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Charles- I think you have a misconception of freedom. is freedom allowing an individual, who is obvioulsy of his rocker, to run around our country while possessing RPG's and anti air guns. I dont now if you have children or not, but I do, and I'm not big on the idea of one of those RPG rounds getting let loose at the school my daughter goes to. do we want to live in a country that shows its frustration such as Libia. Maybe you should turn on CNN sometime. I dont want to raise my children in that crap. so i guess if you desire to live in civil unrest you should move to a third world country. as for me and mine, we are gonna stay right here and hold down the farm.
What's your position on citizens with arms that are full auto, suppressed , etc Theres two answers to this question. 1.. people that obtain them legally are very seldom the people who go off the deep end. I know a guy hat has a private range (couple thousand yards) who has just about everything imaginable (except a chain gun  ) and i love going out there and shooting with him. His wife got a BS injunction when they were going through a divorce and four of us had to go out there to colelct his arms. It took THREE yes 3 moving trucks JUST FOR THE AMMO. Took hours. He made us coffe, offered lunch and HELPED. So no honest people dont bother me. 2. Guns off the street. YES THIS ONE BOTHERS ME! These are the people who shoot anything and everything. So its really a two sided coin. |
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« Reply #85 on: August 25, 2011, 11:22:55 am » |
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Romans 13: 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
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« Reply #86 on: August 25, 2011, 11:32:07 am » |
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Romans 13: 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
This one goes to your earlier post: For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. Romans 13:4 |
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« Reply #87 on: August 25, 2011, 11:35:02 am » |
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Romans 13: 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
This one goes to your earlier post: For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. Romans 13:4 10-4 |
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« Reply #88 on: August 25, 2011, 11:41:18 am » |
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Caught him!!!! Everybody safe, prayers answered. Now let the dude stand in court to face his accusers, that is the American way.
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« Reply #89 on: August 25, 2011, 11:41:25 am » |
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ARE YOU EFFING SERIOUS! You are a zealot for your side if you think federal agencies don't act on bogus intel, mistreat people, and ruin lives through botched investigations. The whole ATF investigation of the Branch Davidians was based on bad intel and over zealous agents. Statements such as the one you just made to me are the reason a large section of citizens no longer trust those that are supposed to be defending us! There are people who are so anti government they cannot see reason and think clearly. And there are those who are so pro law enforcement and biased for their side they cannot admit to any wrong doing on the part of those they see as their brothers. Its BS either way. The train of thought of if you aren't doing anything illegal you have nothing to be afraid of is total crap. It leads to abuse of power. Always has and always will. Pardon me for wanting to live in a free land and not feel like I should be afraid because I'm a veteran and have differing views from the establishment. You have insinuated sir that if I should ever happen to run afoul of a federal law enforcement organization I have whatever they do coming to me. Guilty by accusation alone. Well played.
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« Reply #90 on: August 25, 2011, 11:48:36 am » |
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I don't have a clue if he did it or not.
"Dyer – a former Marine accused of raping a 7-year-old girl in his home state – was wanted by the FBI for unlawful flight to avoid prosecution."
If you are not guilty you stand up like a man in court not running like a coward. But he is in jail again now and I bet he does not get bail.
I hope he is not guilty for the sake of the seven year old girl. But he is no hero for any cause.
I personally think he was using the matitia thing to help him on the run. But only God, that man, and the seven year old little girl know for sure.
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« Reply #91 on: August 25, 2011, 11:51:20 am » |
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ARE YOU EFFING SERIOUS! You are a zealot for your side if you think federal agencies don't act on bogus intel, mistreat people, and ruin lives through botched investigations. The whole ATF investigation of the Branch Davidians was based on bad intel and over zealous agents. Statements such as the one you just made to me are the reason a large section of citizens no longer trust those that are supposed to be defending us! There are people who are so anti government they cannot see reason and think clearly. And there are those who are so pro law enforcement and biased for their side they cannot admit to any wrong doing on the part of those they see as their brothers. Its BS either way. The train of thought of if you aren't doing anything illegal you have nothing to be afraid of is total crap. It leads to abuse of power. Always has and always will. Pardon me for wanting to live in a free land and not feel like I should be afraid because I'm a veteran and have differing views from the establishment. You have insinuated sir that if I should ever happen to run afoul of a federal law enforcement organization I have whatever they do coming to me. Guilty by accusation alone. Well played.
well sir, i dont know you or your history. but by reading the above statement i can clearly see that you and i will just have to agree to disagree. i have no intentions of arguing with you. i am clearly outgunned. your wit and knowlege of the branch dividians supersedes my thirteen years of experience in law enforcement. i apologize if any investigation that i might have ever taken part in caused you any inconvenience. in the event that you are ever in need of law enforcement, i suggest that you call your local theif, crackhead, or child molestor and ask for their assistance. Im sure that they would love to help. |
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« Reply #92 on: August 25, 2011, 12:07:11 pm » |
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Romans 13: 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
Just an FYI, God DID NOT institute the United States Government and to think he did is downright ludicrious! That statement is downright humorous!!! So is God "instituting" the US Government to remove prayer from school? Is God instituting that his prayer and name be left off of every federal, building, document , etc...  |
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« Reply #93 on: August 25, 2011, 12:12:16 pm » |
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Breaking news out of Fort Bend County TX Charles Dyer the wanted fugitive and absconder of justice has been captured near an elementary school near sugarland TX in his possession were 2 dogo de Argentinas and a hyped up FBMC yella dog  |
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« Reply #94 on: August 25, 2011, 12:13:41 pm » |
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Breaking news out of Fort Bend County TX Charles Dyer the wanted fugitive and absconder of justice has been captured near an elementary school near sugarland TX in his possession were 2 dogo de Argentinas and a hyped up FBMC yella dog SEE they were not RPG...just DOGO's  |
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« Reply #95 on: August 25, 2011, 12:14:49 pm » |
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Romans 13: 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
This one goes to your earlier post: For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. Romans 13:4 10-4 No doubt there is still some good law inforcement out there, but theres plenty of them that are crooks / a$$holes too... The police are suppose to " be your friend " , but in many officers case, thats a bunch of crap.... they try to find anything they can find to pin on you so they can write you a ticket / take you to jail, etc etc.... Most dont have the slightest care for you, just getting their paycheck and showing us " whos boss " .. Theres still a few in my area that i have respect for, and an occasional one i run across elsewhere, but most i care nothing for... The authority that God instituted isnt the same as the authority in todays society.... IMO |
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« Reply #96 on: August 25, 2011, 12:15:56 pm » |
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I served 9 years military law enforcement. Honorbaly discharged. Never served any jail time. Never even had a speeding ticket until last year. So your various attempts to denigrate those that don't believe in the absolute power of federal governmet is offensive to me. I'm an American citizen. I demand accountability from those that make a living off my taxes. I am not anti police. Fa from it. I support the police who do their job correctly. I support federal law enforcement when they do not exceed the bounds of their power. But if you're a cop or a fed that does things the shady way or is just incompetent then you have no business in law enforcement. I feel the same way about politicians and teachers. I am anti usurper of power. I am anti anyone who tries to take away my rights and freedoms. The military, the police, teachers, politicians are ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS. They are supposed to serve us. Not the other way around. Honor those that do their job the right way and get rid of those that don't. Seems reasonable to me.
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« Reply #97 on: August 25, 2011, 12:22:08 pm » |
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alright here is how i see it. evey human being operates on a system of beliefs. everyone believes in something. it makes no sense for all of us to sit here and argue about our beliefs. im not going to change your minds and your not going to change mine. some folks may believe the same as you and some may not. im not going to judge you on your beliefs as long as you dont judge me on mine. as for this thread, i think it has went on way longer than it should have and i admitt that i am partly to blame. may be time for Mike to just lock it.
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The authority that God instituted isnt the same as the authority in todays society.... IMO
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Romans 13: 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
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