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« on: August 28, 2011, 03:17:00 pm » |
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I beleive that it is due to the production of corn ethanol. What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2011, 03:25:50 pm » |
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I agree with you Dinah,....this is another case of 'Obamanomics' I'm afriad....it sounds too good to be true, but....I'm not a farmer, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express once.....does that make me qualified?  |
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2011, 03:30:01 pm » |
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I agree with you Dinah,....this is another case of 'Obamanomics' I'm afriad....it sounds too good to be true, but....I'm not a farmer, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express once.....does that make me qualified?  Maybe.  Im not sure if it is obamanomics or the people who are out to save the world from crude oil. LOL |
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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2011, 03:32:29 pm » |
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I agree with you Dinah,....this is another case of 'Obamanomics' I'm afriad....it sounds too good to be true, but....I'm not a farmer, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express once.....does that make me qualified? Maybe. Im not sure if it is obamanomics or the people who are out to save the world from crude oil. LOL Same people! |
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2011, 03:36:01 pm » |
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I agree with you Dinah,....this is another case of 'Obamanomics' I'm afriad....it sounds too good to be true, but....I'm not a farmer, but I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express once.....does that make me qualified? Maybe. Im not sure if it is obamanomics or the people who are out to save the world from crude oil. LOL Same people! Thats true. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2011, 03:36:48 pm » |
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Or it could be from the floods up north during planting and the dought in the south. Corn is still under 12 a hundred last time I checked.
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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2011, 03:45:09 pm » |
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I cant even find a can of corn for under a dollar. I remember a few years ago, it was three cans for a dollar. That is a huge increase.
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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2011, 03:54:43 pm » |
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Thats exactly what it is. We had a whole chapter in a book while I was still in college about ethanol it has driven the price of corn way up, while they could still make it ethanol with the left overs of many crops not the actual crop. Kind of crappy for people who use corn all the time to use it for that when there are other alternatives.
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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2011, 04:36:12 pm » |
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I beleive that it is due to the production of corn ethanol. What do you think?
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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2011, 06:39:04 pm » |
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Canned corn is a whole different type of corn and a different market than yellow dent corn. Yellow dent corn is what 99% of farmers grow and is what they use in the production of ethanol. While ethanol has some impact on food costs, it is'nt what caused your caned corn price to go up.  High "petro" fuel prices are what causes the biggest increase in food cost over the whole spectrum. because it hits home several times in the chain before stuff gets to the consumer. The producer pays high fuel prices and the shipper has to pay them as well. All of which is passed on to consumer. Actually, alternative fuels like ethanol could have the potential to lower food prices IF they could ever get a foot hold, independant of government subsidies, and help break the choke hold that "petrol" fuel has on us at the moment.Like is said before, yellow dent corn is what 99% of farmers plant and the big majority of that goes to livestock production. So in reality the food price increase that is felt by consumers is more noticeable in the higher price of beef, chicken and pork that was finished on a corn diet. Perhaps corn bread has gone up as well but I'd bet allot on the fact that the high price of petrol fuel is a way bigger culpret than ethanol. The "feul vs. food" debate is basically defucnt and nothing more then a hype phrase that was invented by the media in my opinion. Now, that being said the current ethanol industry is far from perfect. Yellow dent corn is mainly used as an ethanol feed stock because it is so widely available and becuase of its ease of storage. Not because of its effeciency at producing feul on an energy input/gain basis which is quite low. When you build a multi million dollar ethanol plant you dont want it to sit idle becuase of feed stock shortage or seasonal availability of feed stock. Also there is a good outlet for the by product which is dried distillers grains. It is used for livestock feeding just like regular corn and there are plenty of feed lots to buy the stuff from the ethanol plants. Actually most plants depend on this byproduct being sold to make a profit and i'd bet that you'd be hard pressed to find a corn ethanol plant that could make a profit without government subsidies and selling the dried distillers grains for livestock feed. There are other things that can be used as ethanol feed stocks and some of them have a much better potential for ethanol production effeciency than corn does. Milo(Maize) will yeild as much ehtanol per ton of grain and do it using less ferilizer and water. And has the same ability for storage as does corn. However, it is only widely grown in Texas and Alabama and thats the main reasons is not commonly used for ethanol production which is centralized in the mid west Sugar cain is another good producer of ethanol. Much more effecient than corn on an energy basis, and Brazil's energy indepndance is based on sugar cain ethanol production and has been for 20 or more years. I personlly am envious of that fact but appearantly none of our US policy makers are. There is less of a market the by product and storing sugar cain for off season fuel production is a challenge as well. Sweet sorgum mirrors sugar cain in its ethanol production metits and challenges but has the advantage that it can be grown furhter north than sugar cain Switch grass or cellulosic ethanol is supposedly ever more effecient on an energy basis but has several extra steps in the fuel production process and is still mostly in the reasearch phase of its existance as a technique. The sad part is most of the corn ethanol plants are owned by oil complanies.  not really a good sign that we are headed toward energy independance any time soon. Waylon |
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2011, 07:04:19 pm » |
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I read where they can make 2.8 gallons of ethanol per bushel of corn and it only has two thirds the energy of gas. They also have to transport it by truck because it can not be transported by pipeline. I don't know but seems like a big to-do over nothing.
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2011, 07:41:57 pm » |
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If run in an appropriate engine....ethanol is not less fuel effecient than gasonline.. It is a different fuel and requires different engine designs. Higher compresssion ratios and different fuel injection. The problem is no one makes comercially available automobile engines for ethanol. The flex fuel vehicles are a joke and just slightly modified so they will simply except a high % ethanol fuel, if the owner feels like using it. A vehicle designed to run on 100% ethanol and take advantage of ethanol's fuel properties can be more fuel effectient than gasoline. They can be made, theyve had the technology to do it since the 80's...Just no one does it. Henry fords first car was designed to run on ethanol......... Waylon |
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2011, 08:06:25 pm » |
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it ain't the ethonal or the floods or anything except them blue suit wearin speculators on wallstreet!!
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2011, 08:09:10 pm » |
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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2011, 08:29:09 pm » |
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that ain't iit duck it's still the speculators they here late planting and start buying up futures wich causes the market to go up , just like when mohamed throws a rock at abdula the speculators say OH BOY and start the manipulation of petroleom it's all the wall street boys this never happened till we started letting the gov. put grains on the comodities market . before if we didn't plant or harvest enough we just ran out didn't have to pay an arm and a leg for it, i've got some age and i remember a little bit of the past
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« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2011, 08:45:30 pm » |
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When was "back then"?
Speculators carry some of the blame but supply and demand also dictate alot. Also, I am not sure why we are worried about the middle east when it comes to oil. We get the most oil from our neighbors to the north(Canada). The middle east is a drop in the bucket compared to Canada. Mexico isnt far behind the middle east.
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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2011, 08:51:51 pm » |
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a way way back in the 60's and early 70's when we ran the local feed store , if they didn't have it we couldn't get it but when they got more the price was the same . and as far as not worrying about the middle east oil . tell wallstreet and exxon we don't get the majority of our oil there
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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2011, 08:21:46 am » |
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2011, 08:59:18 am » |
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lmao it's part of wall street and this stinking ass goverment's plot to break the little man.think about it who backs the politicians?the rich do.if you come up with a good invention to improve our current fuel situation theres a good chance sombody gonna find you dead.like diesel fuel its supply and demand it dont cost the same to make diesel as it does no lead,but everybody drives a damn diesel even those that dont need a working truck therefore bam diesel 3.79 a gallon.in the forties and fifties the goverment subsidised farmers not to plant cotton and corn in my area of east texas now nobody hardly farms over here.they'll wind up doing the same up north.a country that cant feul,feed,and fight for it's self can be controlled we better wake up as a whole cause its almost to late.
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« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2011, 09:01:48 am » |
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bighog been tryn to tell folks that. unfortunatly, ur speakin on deaf ears for some of it. where bouts in e.texas u at?
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