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[J.Prince]

Charles I have to disagree. I believe they are born like that. I think if you did a poll amongst homosexuals and asked if their upbringing encouraged homosexuality or if they're parents were ok with it in anyway, you would find that a very large percentage of them come from homes that look down on such things.

Here's a link to check out. Not saying its right or wrong or I agree or disagree it is simply something to think about.
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html

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[warrent423]

Any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you

[bob]

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[dub]

I would say if people were born gay then we would not have to cull them because that gene would be removed from the breeding pool by itself. I do believe some people have a higher disposition to do many things. That does not mean that we have to behave in a manner or not. What I do not like is that some people want me to say their lifestyle is normal or that I approve. I do not approve of many things and as long as you don't shove it in my face I will not say anything. But do not expect me to be silent when you keep putting something in my face.

If I unbuttoned my shirt and walked around with my hairy chest stuck out talking about women as objects. Or if I wlked around at work talking about heterosexual things and pointed out that I was a heterosexual I would expect to get fired. Should I say I am suffering from discrimination? Sorry heterosexual is normal. A man and a woman having a child is normal. Sorry put any two people on an island alone and there will only be children if they are different sexes. So anything else is un-natural. Chosing to go through a surgery to change your body does not mean that I can't have an opnion. It does not make you a protected class because you were not born that way.

I will pray for them and show God's love to the people. But I will not support any homosexual agenda. I will not watch a movie, a show, listen to the songs, or anything else of someone that actively annouces they are gay or acts in an immoral way. I refuse to listen to Madonna because she flaunts her immorality and uses it to make money. I put shows about adultery in the same group.

Go read your Bible.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

So lets just look at who is on the list:
1. the sexually immoral
2. idolaters
3. adulterers
4. male prostitutes
5. homosexual offenders
6. thieves
7. the greedy
8. drunkards
9. slanderers
10. swindlers

So be careful to judge. That is in the Bible too. If you read the Bible you will see that if your talk bad about people you are a slanderer and on the some list. If you have had a time that you went and got drunk on purpose you are on that list. If you have cheated someone you are on the list. I would guess that eveyone is at least one thing on the list. Should I stand up and say that being a drunk is normal? What about thievery or the other things? Then I will not say homosexuality is normal. But the Good News or also called Gospel is that we all still have hope. Just read what is after the list. 1 Corinthians 6:11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

How many people know John 3:16 but what about John 3:17? John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

I do not care if some is born a way or not. God can change anyone if they pray and ask for it. We are told to come to God as we are not as what others say we should be. The Gospels are are great and the Old Testiment or the Jewish books are needed to fully understand them. But nothing is as important as seeking God first. When I look at what God forgave in me it makes it hard to judge others. There is a Parable about that too. Jesus said that the parables were used so only the believers could understand them. Now that would seem to exclude the non believers. But I think it shows the order of importance. First seek God and then more will be revealed. But if you don't seek God first then the rest does not matter. Without love nothing else matters. That is in the Bible too, if you don't believe me then go read it.

[muleman]

Any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you

thats funny!

It would be helpful for the sake of good debate to hear from a fairy....make-em-squeal, were you born that way or choose it?? .........just kidding Grant! I know you aren't gay, even if you do have homo tendancies....

[dub]

Any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you

thats funny!

It would be helpful for the sake of good debate to hear from a fairy....make-em-squeal, were you born that way or choose it?? .........just kidding Grant! I know you aren't gay, even if you do have homo tendancies....

That is just plain wrong. But it was funny

[Reuben]

I would say if people were born gay then we would not have to cull them because that gene would be removed from the breeding pool by itself. I do believe some people have a higher disposition to do many things. That does not mean that we have to behave in a manner or not. What I do not like is that some people want me to say their lifestyle is normal or that I approve. I do not approve of many things and as long as you don't shove it in my face I will not say anything. But do not expect me to be silent when you keep putting something in my face.

If I unbuttoned my shirt and walked around with my hairy chest stuck out talking about women as objects. Or if I wlked around at work talking about heterosexual things and pointed out that I was a heterosexual I would expect to get fired. Should I say I am suffering from discrimination? Sorry heterosexual is normal. A man and a woman having a child is normal. Sorry put any two people on an island alone and there will only be children if they are different sexes. So anything else is un-natural. Chosing to go through a surgery to change your body does not mean that I can't have an opnion. It does not make you a protected class because you were not born that way.

I will pray for them and show God's love to the people. But I will not support any homosexual agenda. I will not watch a movie, a show, listen to the songs, or anything else of someone that actively annouces they are gay or acts in an immoral way. I refuse to listen to Madonna because she flaunts her immorality and uses it to make money. I put shows about adultery in the same group.

Go read your Bible.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

So lets just look at who is on the list:
1. the sexually immoral
2. idolaters
3. adulterers
4. male prostitutes
5. homosexual offenders
6. thieves
7. the greedy
8. drunkards
9. slanderers
10. swindlers

So be careful to judge. That is in the Bible too. If you read the Bible you will see that if your talk bad about people you are a slanderer and on the some list. If you have had a time that you went and got drunk on purpose you are on that list. If you have cheated someone you are on the list. I would guess that eveyone is at least one thing on the list. Should I stand up and say that being a drunk is normal? What about thievery or the other things? Then I will not say homosexuality is normal. But the Good News or also called Gospel is that we all still have hope. Just read what is after the list. 1 Corinthians 6:11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

How many people know John 3:16 but what about John 3:17? John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

I do not care if some is born a way or not. God can change anyone if they pray and ask for it. We are told to come to God as we are not as what others say we should be. The Gospels are are great and the Old Testiment or the Jewish books are needed to fully understand them. But nothing is as important as seeking God first. When I look at what God forgave in me it makes it hard to judge others. There is a Parable about that too. Jesus said that the parables were used so only the believers could understand them. Now that would seem to exclude the non believers. But I think it shows the order of importance. First seek God and then more will be revealed. But if you don't seek God first then the rest does not matter. Without love nothing else matters. That is in the Bible too, if you don't believe me then go read it.

Dub,

you said a mouthful right there... :)good post.

I also was thinking that in the old days it was a secret to be gay and so many married to hide it thus a never ending cycle of gays.

Now that it is ok to flaunt it the gays do not have to marry and have kids to hide being gay...  hopefully this will help in removing the faulty genes from the gene pool...right or wrong this has crossed my mind...

When I was a kid gay meant being happy.

[charles]

 j prince, did u ever rebel against ur parents for anything? i know i did. just like children, u tell them not to do something, they do it. i wouldnt say that 100% of children do the opposite if what their parents say, nor does 100% of the teenagers rebel and not 100% of the homos turned to a pole smoker or rug chomper, but a good % did rebel and children did do what was said not to do.

[Reuben]

Charles, you bring up a good point...I think that society can break down enough that young adults could do something like this just to show the adults or parents that they can do whatever and no one can stop them...also could be a fad or it is cool to do something outside the norm...this would be too extreme for me to think as possible...but it could happen

[ked]

Dub you have said it correctly (or posted a good scripture).
When we put our faith in the power of what Jesus did on the cross (nothing else) He forgives all sin, delivers us from that sin nature and we become a part of His righteousness.
Does it mean we can not be tempted or will not sin again? No, but His Spirit in us, as we have been made a new creation, empowers us to no longer be practicing sinners. Once again we will sin, but we'll hate it and don't want any part of it in our lives. As He becomes more a part of our lives, sin becomes less.
Jesus can deliver anyone from any bondage of sin if they will turn to Him. Whether it be pornography, homosexuaity, heterosexuality outside of wedlock, drug addiction, envy, greed, you name it, through His work on the cross He can help and wants to help. He nevertold us to come to Him sinnless to be accepted but rather He is the sacrifice for the sin of all who will receive Him as Lord and Savior.
Every one needs to hear the gospel message for it is the power unto salvation.


And whoever posted about sin on Tv & movies...You nailed. We (as a culture) have accepted sin and keep it in our eye gate and ear gate all the time. Choices have to be made, and they are tough, but disciples are to be in the world but not of the world. From homosexuality to teen adultry evan to Harry Potter sin is being depicted as righteous, normal and not just acceptable but to make out any one intolerant to those things which bring destruction as evil.

[Reuben]

Dub you have said it correctly (or posted a good scripture).
When we put our faith in the power of what Jesus did on the cross (nothing else) He forgives all sin, delivers us from that sin nature and we become a part of His righteousness.
Does it mean we can not be tempted or will not sin again? No, but His Spirit in us, as we have been made a new creation, empowers us to no longer be practicing sinners. Once again we will sin, but we'll hate it and don't want any part of it in our lives. As He becomes more a part of our lives, sin becomes less.
Jesus can deliver anyone from any bondage of sin if they will turn to Him. Whether it be pornography, homosexuaity, heterosexuality outside of wedlock, drug addiction, envy, greed, you name it, through His work on the cross He can help and wants to help. He nevertold us to come to Him sinnless to be accepted but rather He is the sacrifice for the sin of all who will receive Him as Lord and Savior.
Every one needs to hear the gospel message for it is the power unto salvation.


And whoever posted about sin on Tv & movies...You nailed. We (as a culture) have accepted sin and keep it in our eye gate and ear gate all the time. Choices have to be made, and they are tough, but disciples are to be in the world but not of the world. From homosexuality to teen adultry evan to Harry Potter sin is being depicted as righteous, normal and not just acceptable but to make out any one intolerant to those things which bring destruction as evil.

Ked, keep on preaching...that was brilliant..

[coach]

In 17 yrs of coaching and teaching I have found that to some extent it is a fad. Women get tired of getting treated badly by men so they seek someone who will fill that void. They finally figure out that they want a family and wth they go back to the life they left to become impregnated. Go figure about the guys I think they just have a messed up home life with no father figure at home. Grow up playing dolls and dress up with their sisters.

[J.Prince]

Charles yes I did rebel plenty. In your first post though you said that with the right upbringing they had a lower chance of being gay. So I don't know why you are asking me about rebelling? I was stating that most gay ppl did have the right upbringing. So I don't think they rebel and are gay just because someone told them not to be. That's all beside my original point anyway cause honestly I don't care why they are that way.

What i'm trying to say is if you don't agree with it fine, because I dont either. I just don't understand how we can look down on one person, because of their sins, but be fine with another person who has commited sin. If you don't agree with their ways ok fine but don't say that it is because what they are doing is a sin, because we all sin everyday and technically no sin carries a heavier load. If you don't like it you don't like it, just like I don't like it. There's where my problem lies is when ppl get so hung up on one thing that is wrong that's in the bible, but choose to look over so much that is in the bible, daily. So once again if you dislike their ways so be it dislike their ways for what they are, not because they are sinners.

As far as them expressing their ways in the media I dont agree with it either. It really irritates me as well, and I don't think we should be quiet about, but it is their right to express themselves as they please, just like it is our right to express our ways. Our nation is set up to give everyone equal rights, not just straight christian men.

I know my views will upset a lot of folks and again I am not trying to make anyone agree, I just want to state my opinion just like everyone else here. I am not going to get involved with this thread anymore cause we will all be arguing til the end of time. So if anyone wants to discuss it more feel free to pm me or I can give you a call. Either way I don't mind I am open to listen to your ideas as long as you will here me out as well. I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything I just like to share my thoughts just like everyone else.


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[Reuben]

Charles yes I did rebel plenty. In your first post though you said that with the right upbringing they had a lower chance of being gay. So I don't know why you are asking me about rebelling? I was stating that most gay ppl did have the right upbringing. So I don't think they rebel and are gay just because someone told them not to be. That's all beside my original point anyway cause honestly I don't care why they are that way.

What i'm trying to say is if you don't agree with it fine, because I dont either. I just don't understand how we can look down on one person, because of their sins, but be fine with another person who has commited sin. If you don't agree with their ways ok fine but don't say that it is because what they are doing is a sin, because we all sin everyday and technically no sin carries a heavier load. If you don't like it you don't like it, just like I don't like it. There's where my problem lies is when ppl get so hung up on one thing that is wrong that's in the bible, but choose to look over so much that is in the bible, daily. So once again if you dislike their ways so be it dislike their ways for what they are, not because they are sinners.

As far as them expressing their ways in the media I dont agree with it either. It really irritates me as well, and I don't think we should be quiet about, but it is their right to express themselves as they please, just like it is our right to express our ways. Our nation is set up to give everyone equal rights, not just straight christian men.

I know my views will upset a lot of folks and again I am not trying to make anyone agree, I just want to state my opinion just like everyone else here. I am not going to get involved with this thread anymore cause we will all be arguing til the end of time. So if anyone wants to discuss it more feel free to pm me or I can give you a call. Either way I don't mind I am open to listen to your ideas as long as you will here me out as well. I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything I just like to share my thoughts just like everyone else.


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J. Prince...that was well spoken and like you I am done with this one too...

[jdt]

do ya'll know how to boil frogs ?  you can't put em in hot water as they will jump out . you have to put em in cold water and heat it up real slow , before they now it they are boiled !

our politically correct society , media , givernment , or who ever  has been heating the water for about 2 generations now .

it's not hard to tell by reading these three pages who is closer to being boiled .

there were a bunch in the pot in soddam and gommorrah that got boiled , of course that was before it got REAL hot on them .........

i too am done with this discussion .

[charles]

 i could give 2 rats butts if they sin, i dont like them for what they are or who they are and dont like them shoving it down our throats.

[UNDERDOG]

i could give 2 rats butts if they sin, i dont like them for what they are or who they are and dont like them shoving it down our throats.

There is a joke in that quote somewhere but i'll leave it be......

[charles]

thanks for pointing out underdog. i just re-read it and c what ur talkn bout, or what i was refering

[muleman]

See, we can have a debate on here without it getting out of control and hurting peoples feelers....Im so proud of you boys!

[SCHitemHard]

See, we can have a debate on here without it getting out of control and hurting peoples feelers....Im so proud of you boys!

x2 its cause we are all on the same page and like the ol sayin goes... we all got horns on here