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« on: September 11, 2011, 08:25:00 pm » |
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I have a female bluetick that is a sure enough finished strike dog.. And i am gettin a male bmc that i dont know much about but i was just think what yall think if i was to get that bmc finished out and then breeding him to my bluetick.? I think they would be some good lookin pups and would turn out to be good dogs but i was just askin yalls opinions about these breeds..?
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waylon-N.E. OK
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2011, 08:33:05 pm » |
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You never know until you try it, My opinion is a little shot of hound never hurt a cur dog hunt better
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2011, 08:52:09 pm » |
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You never know until you try it, My opinion is a little shot of hound never hurt a cur dog hunt better
Thats wat i was thinking too.. Especially the way my hound hunts.. She hunts about 1200 yrds out and will get the job done really quick..
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2011, 08:53:53 pm » |
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And i was also wondering how many of yall would buy them cuz i would sell all but prolly 2..?
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2011, 09:37:25 pm » |
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Around here thats just about all you see is hound crosses on hogs, Ive got a few buddys with BT/BMC crosses and there some flat out good dogs, they have the nose but their not super long ranged like most straight hounds.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2011, 01:24:02 am » |
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If that BMC proves his self, I would do it in a heartbeat.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2011, 10:31:41 am » |
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Do yall think the pups would be silent on track?
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2011, 10:45:38 am » |
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that is the million dollar question ! you wont know till you try it . but what does it really matter ? some people think you can;t run open dogs and catch hogs i dissagree . hogs here dogs bark everyday and i've got them wallowing 50 yards behind my dog pen with the dogs going crazy in the pens . and they pay the dogs no never mind .
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waylon-N.E. OK
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2011, 12:07:52 pm » |
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Good hounds can catch hogs, even open mouthed ones. Everyone agrees silent is better, but open works if your hounds got the hunt in them to pull if off
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2011, 12:39:04 pm » |
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Good hounds can catch hogs, even open mouthed ones. Everyone agrees silent is better, but open works if your hounds got the hunt in them to pull if off
My hound is open mouthed and she still bays some up everytime we hunt.. It doesnt matter if there is hogs on the place or not she will run everywhere in the county untill she hits a track..
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2011, 02:14:51 pm » |
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As long as a hound can keep up with it's mouth they'll work my buddy had s hound open every step an th slowest dog I ever seen we did alotta runnin hogs not much catchin jmo
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bay em & slay em hog dogs & cut gear casey thomas coweta ok 918-729-9966 call me im down to hunt or tlk dogs n e time
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Reuben
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2011, 02:23:44 pm » |
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You never know until you try it, My opinion is a little shot of hound never hurt a cur dog hunt better
I agree...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2011, 06:28:24 pm » |
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Good hounds can catch hogs, even open mouthed ones. Everyone agrees silent is better, but open works if your hounds got the hunt in them to pull if off
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2011, 07:17:08 pm » |
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Good hounds can catch hogs, even open mouthed ones. Everyone agrees silent is better, but open works if your hounds got the hunt in them to pull if off
X 2 x3...sometimes an open mouthed dog can show you the bacon when others can't 
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2011, 09:59:26 pm » |
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As long as a hound can keep up with it's mouth they'll work my buddy had s hound open every step an th slowest dog I ever seen we did alotta runnin hogs not much catchin jmo
I been there and done that one over 30 years ago and it was good ridance.  and I did learn from that hound... 
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2011, 11:50:51 am » |
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Lol no kiddin I loved it when he wouldn't take her
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bay em & slay em hog dogs & cut gear casey thomas coweta ok 918-729-9966 call me im down to hunt or tlk dogs n e time
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waylon-N.E. OK
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2011, 01:44:54 pm » |
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You know a good hound is waaaaay different than a track babbler, A good hard hound can push a track hard and fast and jump the game and be on it's tail until said creature decides this running game is not such a good idea, my favorite if I'm honest is neither 100% silent nor is it 100% open. I like the dog that will give a quick chop when he/she strikes, then about every 200-300 yards gives that same little chop, then he/she opens 100% either treed or bayed, it helps me know where that dog is and how things are going cause I'm not sold on those Garmins yet, if you had one i guess 100% silent is better then cause you wouldn't need the dog talking back to ya. But that type of dog has to be pushing that track hard and has murder on there mind when they hit the ground. If that ol dog is just out to play some mouth music leave them at home.
I can tell you a " Good " hound don't bark every step and will pick up his/her head and run the track in what I call the " Scent funnel " and will only go back to ground tracking when a loss is made. I've had Walker hounds in the past that if I had those same dogs now that I hog hunt I'd be damn glad to show them on a hog track cause they would fill the bed with pork I have no doubt about that. They were hard and fast track dogs that either caught there game on the ground or forced it to climb or fight, I caught bobcats and grey Fox with those open mouthed dogs and if you ain't ever ran either it ain't so easy it self.
Go for the cross I say, you just as likely to throw some good and bad as any other " outcross " breeding and I'll bet you get some tight mouthed dogs in the bunch that can actually run a track pretty decent and will have enough bottom for a runner.
Just my opinions, But I've been wrong before. Waylon
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2011, 02:41:00 pm » |
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You know a good hound is waaaaay different than a track babbler, A good hard hound can push a track hard and fast and jump the game and be on it's tail until said creature decides this running game is not such a good idea, my favorite if I'm honest is neither 100% silent nor is it 100% open. I like the dog that will give a quick chop when he/she strikes, then about every 200-300 yards gives that same little chop, then he/she opens 100% either treed or bayed, it helps me know where that dog is and how things are going cause I'm not sold on those Garmins yet, if you had one i guess 100% silent is better then cause you wouldn't need the dog talking back to ya. But that type of dog has to be pushing that track hard and has murder on there mind when they hit the ground. If that ol dog is just out to play some mouth music leave them at home.
I can tell you a " Good " hound don't bark every step and will pick up his/her head and run the track in what I call the " Scent funnel " and will only go back to ground tracking when a loss is made. I've had Walker hounds in the past that if I had those same dogs now that I hog hunt I'd be damn glad to show them on a hog track cause they would fill the bed with pork I have no doubt about that. They were hard and fast track dogs that either caught there game on the ground or forced it to climb or fight, I caught bobcats and grey Fox with those open mouthed dogs and if you ain't ever ran either it ain't so easy it self.
Go for the cross I say, you just as likely to throw some good and bad as any other " outcross " breeding and I'll bet you get some tight mouthed dogs in the bunch that can actually run a track pretty decent and will have enough bottom for a runner.
Just my opinions, But I've been wrong before. Waylon
JUst curious, are you saying that a good hound will not give mouth every breath when it has jumped its game?? Please explain?? The pack we ran down here all barked every step when game was jumped, they all imeately went silent when a lose was made, we waited on pins and needles until some hound found the ducking or back trailing or jumping bobcat or fox, then the race began again with every hound giving mouth as soon as it got in the scent tunnel again, worst thing we would get sometimes is a dog in the pack that would give mouth after a lose when it did not have the track and cause the dogs to come to him and honor his bark out of place, these were usually young dogs toos or not that many catches and some times were over excited being outrun by older dogs with colder noses and more track running experience, guess what every step means is up for discussionlol Down here we had to have about 4 different types in a bobcat/fox pack to catch 2 a night if condtions were right, we had to have a old coldnosed dog to start the track, it had to still be fast enuff to work the track to where a younger hot nosed dog could pass the start dog and put enuff presure on the cat to start running after they found where he had just been, this jumping him caused a roar in the pack as the yunger or hotter nosed dogs now could finally smell the scent tunnel and became a pack all in full cry as the gap has closed between them??
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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2011, 02:45:33 pm » |
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You know a good hound is waaaaay different than a track babbler, A good hard hound can push a track hard and fast and jump the game and be on it's tail until said creature decides this running game is not such a good idea, my favorite if I'm honest is neither 100% silent nor is it 100% open. I like the dog that will give a quick chop when he/she strikes, then about every 200-300 yards gives that same little chop, then he/she opens 100% either treed or bayed, it helps me know where that dog is and how things are going cause I'm not sold on those Garmins yet, if you had one i guess 100% silent is better then cause you wouldn't need the dog talking back to ya. But that type of dog has to be pushing that track hard and has murder on there mind when they hit the ground. If that ol dog is just out to play some mouth music leave them at home.
I can tell you a " Good " hound don't bark every step and will pick up his/her head and run the track in what I call the " Scent funnel " and will only go back to ground tracking when a loss is made. I've had Walker hounds in the past that if I had those same dogs now that I hog hunt I'd be damn glad to show them on a hog track cause they would fill the bed with pork I have no doubt about that. They were hard and fast track dogs that either caught there game on the ground or forced it to climb or fight, I caught bobcats and grey Fox with those open mouthed dogs and if you ain't ever ran either it ain't so easy it self.
Go for the cross I say, you just as likely to throw some good and bad as any other " outcross " breeding and I'll bet you get some tight mouthed dogs in the bunch that can actually run a track pretty decent and will have enough bottom for a runner.
Just my opinions, But I've been wrong before. Waylon
best thing about a totally silent dog is you don't have to hear it from friends...  I like a dog that opens 2 or 3 times when locating a good track and then shuts up... a few barks here and there on track is ok...long bawl when locating and then loud chop when baying a hog. the good mtn curs tend to do it that way but I suspect "walker behind the wood shed" on some of these good dogs. 
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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