loosing or quitting ?

[halfbreed]

just a question on terminology . i here the term [till they lost it ] used on here alot my question is if your dogs can find and trail a hog how can they [ loose ] the hog after a break on a red hot track  . or do they lack bottom and just quit a bad hog . let the discussion begin .

[Noah]

Interesting topic... and a very complex one from what I've experienced...

Some dogs with good nose just can't seem to "figure it out" due to whatever(dry conditions/high wind/too much scent, etc.)...

Some quit it because they're just sorry and don't want to have to work for it...

Some quit because they physically can't go anymore, regardless if they can or want to...

Some are just smart enough to quit because they've learned which times you will come to help them and which times you won't...(what I personally prefer)

... and I'm sure there are just as many shades inbetween...

[kevin]

You trying to hurt peoples feelings?  If they think about your question they might get hurt.

[Noah]

You trying to hurt peoples feelings?  If they think about your question they might get hurt.

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Haha, only hurts people's feelings who like a dog with limitless bottom... For those of us that don't have the luxury of hunting massive properties, a dog with too much bottom is a liability... A dog that knows when to quit one, however, is actually sought after where I'm from

[Jared H.]

I used to want a dog that wouldn't quit on a hog....until I had one.  Spent more time hunting that dog than the hogs.  If a dog can't stop a hog within a couple of miles I'd rather it quit and come back to me.

[BarrNinja]

You trying to hurt peoples feelings?  If they think about your question they might get hurt.

Hahaha! Your serious aren't you?

[halfbreed]

good so far now i'll be the first one to say i've had some dogs QUIT a  hog [i prefer to call them back via a horn or by hollerin ] . but i want to know how they could loose a red hot big boar hogs scent . when they can find it in   high wind,  too much scent ? dry cond. to begin with . i'm not tryin to hurt no ones feelings just an old man tryin to learn something new    

[Sneaky Creek Kennel]

Just last week I had a super long race the dogs lost it at a conservation lake after trailing this hog over 4 miles and having it bayed several differnt times it was just to thick for us to ever catch up to em.

[charles]

This sport aint for folks with thin or soft skin! If u cant take constructive criticism, u might want to take up knitting or beginner cookn classes. U learn from ur mistakes and listen to others mistakes and compile a new stratogy for huntin. U need to be able to act like a spounge n soak in the info put out whether it b good on ur feeling or hard on them. Life is full of mistakes, as long as u dont do them again or make preperation to limit them, then ur learning from them. My dogs will just up n quite a hog some times from lack of bottom or give a damn to keep huntn and bc i dont hav all the land or connection for land to keep them in the woods, along with me not hm much myself. Some may say my dogs suck compaired to theirs, but if its just an insult with out info n guidance to tell me what im doing worng. I take it with a grain of salt n think that mayb their spouse sucks to be around n thats why they hav more time to hunt n get their dogs better. JMO

[BarrNinja]

good so far now i'll be the first one to say i've had some dogs QUIT a  hog [i prefer to call them back via a horn or by hollerin ] . but i want to know how they could loose a red hot big boar hogs scent . when they can find it in   high wind,  too much scent ? dry cond. to begin with . i'm not tryin to hurt no ones feelings just an old man tryin to learn something new    

This is a good topic halfbreed.

I will tell you how I've seen it happen. They didn't loose a hog with their nose or lack of bottom. It was all in their mind in my opinion.
Simply getting distracted after overrunning a track or a hog that loops back and runs right through the middle of the hunting party or something like that. I think it's easy for some young and inexperienced dogs to miss or overrun a track and then get distracted and confused.
The times I was sure it happened, it was almost always my fault because I came between them and the hog they were running.

Old dogs are hard to fool and get off task though.

[BarrNinja]

Just last week I had a super long race the dogs lost it at a conservation lake after trailing this hog over 4 miles and having it bayed several differnt times it was just to thick for us to ever catch up to em.

You think they lost it because it swam a section of the lake?

I have seen a dog loose a track when hogs have crossed a big river and refuse to swim it. I have also seen older dogs run a track to the river, search up and down the bank trying to figure it out and then swim the river and find the hog or at least pick up the track again.
I have also seen dog follow a track to the river and never slow down. Run and jump strait in, pick up the track on the other side, and go and find the hog without seeing the hog cross.
Young dogs will see that river as a barrier and not even consider that the hog crossed it if they have never seen a hog swim a river before.
I ain't getting at anything here. Just sharing some of my observations. 

[charles]

Thats a good testimonial ninja and will hold true forever. Aint seen a dog do it for a hog, but did c it for coons.

[halfbreed]

this thead ain't meant to insult nobody or their dogs like i said iv'e had a few busted bays that didn't produce no sausage . but after the break and race i just allways said [dang dogs run the hell out of em and finally quit em ] now i did put that [lack of bottom in to stir the pot just a little      ]  just wanting to see everybody's point of view are your dogs actually loosing the hogs or quitting . because on that hot of a track in my opinion they shouldn't loose it . and now that i'm running these hound crosses i'm hopeing they don't do either but i want a hell of a handle on em so i can call em off cause my space is limited like everybody elses .  continue

[Mike]

One thing i've noticed over the summer is a group a dogs running one, then at one point in the race just fanning out and falling apart. Like the hog disappeared in thin air... seen it several times this summer. We just scratched our heads and figured it was because of the super dry conditions?

Other times, the hog will hit a big thicket, round around in it for an hour or two in circles... then sneak out the back door. The Garmin screen looks like a crackhead with an etch-a-sketch. By the time the dogs line it out, that hog is usually in the next county.

I guess you could call that a loose? Cause it sure ain't from lack of bottom.

[Peachcreek]

crackhead with etch-a-sketch

lmao

[bigo]

For what its worth, heres how I see it. If it happens pretty often, they quit. If they get it put on 'em once in a blue moon, then they lost it. The right hog in the right spot can make any dog look bad. Don't ask me how a big nasty stinking hog can lose a dog, but they can. I've had dogs that have stayed on a hog over 24 hours before and have had the same dogs look like crap in an hour. It didn't happen but very few times, but it happened.

[djhogdogger]

 Well, I think that people say the dogs lost a hog and mean it the same as when you are fishing and you get a nibble, set the hook and come up with nothing. Then you tell people you lost a good one. 

But I have noticed with our dogs that if its hot, no water in sight, and they are on a running hog headed through the thicket, they will have less bottom than when its cool or if they have water to get in and cool off.

I have also seen when they chasing a hog through a dense area and then all of a sudden on the garmin the dogs all split up and work the heck out of one area and zig and zag and backtrack until finally coming back to us. I think they have lost the hog.

Either way, if they quit it or loose it, I will probably still say " we lost a good one the other day"    Just my terminology of choice! 

[Reuben]

a good dog shouldn't lose the track but I have seen good dogs get out ran by a hog. The reason... the dogs are out of shape and over heat and the hogs stick to the real thick stuff where the dogs can't keep up.

another reason is the dogs are bayed deep where we can not get to them and eventually they give it up and come in...

The dog has to have a real good reason for quitting the track or for sure it is taken off the breeding list and more than likely is going to the replacement list as soon as another pup steps up.

There has to be a good reason why the dog quit and no excuses...no rose colored glasses here...


The dogs quitting sometimes has to do with the hunting style of the handler.

[kevin]

You trying to hurt peoples feelings?  If they think about your question they might get hurt.

Hahaha! Your serious aren't you?

  I'm serious but I think its funny.  There's always those people that think there dogs have endless bottom.  There dogs just lot the hog when they came back. 

[levibarcus]

One thing i've noticed over the summer is a group a dogs running one, then at one point in the race just fanning out and falling apart. Like the hog disappeared in thin air... seen it several times this summer. We just scratched our heads and figured it was because of the super dry conditions?

Other times, the hog will hit a big thicket, round around in it for an hour or two in circles... then sneak out the back door. The Garmin screen looks like a crackhead with an etch-a-sketch. By the time the dogs line it out, that hog is usually in the next county.

I guess you could call that a loose? Cause it sure ain't from lack of bottom.

Wow, I really thought that my dogs just sucked because I have seen this happen to me a whole lot. It's good to see that even the professional internet hog hunters have the same problem at times.

A couple of weeks ago the pups jumped a hog and ran it to some thick stuff a few hundred yd off in a bottom and spent over an hour in less than five acres before giving it up. They tried hard but I really think he circled and zig zagged around and snuck out.

Also the most seasoned dog I have has been in the woods just over a year and has never really run with an older dog but is just working off of natural ability. There are times that I think that they just don't have the experience to figure every track out, but they are learning.