SWIFT MUD hog dogging

[JDJP]

I got alston tract. They only give out 11 permits hopefully it won't be to bad.   Noah I didn't realize you felt so strongly against water management, I was gunna try to get you and mark out there at least one of the days. You wouldn't have to pay if it makes you feel any better

[johnf]

our biggest area in the mountains of sc. has one road throuh it.its gated on each end.they open on sept. 15 for deer hunting.we get to dog it jan.2 through march 1.they close the gates jan.2nd and reopen them april 1st for turkey season.hey!whats up with that?we can hunt it by foot but it would involve miles of walking just to find hogs.

[Noah]

As for the water management shot callers...

I see those jackoffs the same way I see the current salt water fisheries management council... taking resources away from the people using uneducated, FABRICATED science/statistics to justify rules meant to make money for the private sector... Insider trading with national resources...

I read a good quote the other day and it pretty much sums up how I feel on this subject... "when injustice become law, REBELLION becomes DUTY."

I have always respected just and logical law... I do not, however, abide by nonsense bureaucratic red tape.  The good law enforcement officers AND JUDGES know the difference...

I 100% support the management of all resources, but when one sees that the government is abusing it's power concerning "public use" of "public land"...   what else is there to do but REBEL.

I foresee a whole new generation of outlaws being created by current government mangagement practices...

[Reuben]

As for the water management shot callers...

I see those jackoffs the same way I see the current salt water fisheries management council... taking resources away from the people using uneducated, FABRICATED science/statistics to justify rules meant to make money for the private sector... Insider trading with national resources...

I read a good quote the other day and it pretty much sums up how I feel on this subject... "when injustice become law, REBELLION becomes DUTY."

I have always respected just and logical law... I do not, however, abide by nonsense bureaucratic red tape.  The good law enforcement officers AND JUDGES know the difference...

I 100% support the management of all resources, but when one sees that the government is abusing it's power concerning "public use" of "public land"...   what else is there to do but REBEL.

I foresee a whole new generation of outlaws being created by current government mangagement practices...

I agree 100%... and this is worth repeating...

I read a good quote the other day and it pretty much sums up how I feel on this subject... "when injustice become law, REBELLION becomes DUTY."

I read a good quote the other day and it pretty much sums up how I feel on this subject... "when injustice become law, REBELLION becomes DUTY."

[TColt]

Cajun and Noah said it right. Hikers and horse back riders get free access year round for free. Then when it comes to the hunters we have to pay again, after we purchased the land with are tax money. The SWWM hunts suck, people stealing dogs. Dropping the box on your dogs when they find and catch one then try to say the hog is theirs. On the other hand, all their land do have a good hopg population!! Here is a hunt I was on when they dropped the box on me. Caught hog then 10 head of dog from no where!!!

Oh boy, I sure wish I was gonna be able to make this. People better watch out drop the box on Brian, that will be a sight to see if that happens lol.

[txhogsanddogs]

Cajun and Noah said it right. Hikers and horse back riders get free access year round for free. Then when it comes to the hunters we have to pay again, after we purchased the land with are tax money. The SWWM hunts suck, people stealing dogs. Dropping the box on your dogs when they find and catch one then try to say the hog is theirs. On the other hand, all their land do have a good hopg population!! Here is a hunt I was on when they dropped the box on me. Caught hog then 10 head of dog from no where!!!

Oh boy, I sure wish I was gonna be able to make this. People better watch out drop the box on Brian, that will be a sight to see if that happens lol.

Man, i didn't know it was like that!  What happened to respect for other hunters?  SOme of the story's ive heard are crazy.  I sure hope they don't drop the box on me!  (they better locked there doors and fireproof there homes)

[Circle C]

After hearing the stories from several friends that hunted Florida last year... I can honestly say I don't think I will EVER turn one of my dogs out on a Florida hog.   We have some unsavory characters in Texas, but I have never heard of so much BS involving hog dogging as I have heard about that Florida trip.   Dumping dogs, claiming hogs, etc.   Just not worth it for me.   

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Man, i didn't know it was like that!  What happened to respect for other hunters?  SOme of the story's ive heard are crazy.  I sure hope they don't drop the box on me!  (they better locked there doors and fireproof there homes)

I'm saving my bail money now.  I ready to roll. 

This is gonna be a fun week.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

After hearing the stories from several friends that hunted Florida last year... I can honestly say I don't think I will EVER turn one of my dogs out on a Florida hog.   We have some unsavory characters in Texas, but I have never heard of so much BS involving hog dogging as I have heard about that Florida trip.   Dumping dogs, claiming hogs, etc.   Just not worth it for me.   

The saddest part about that is I doubt it was exagerated at all.  It is basically all we know on public lands in Florida.  I have yet to accept it though.  I am quick to share my feelings on it in the timber.   

[Circle C]

After hearing the stories from several friends that hunted Florida last year... I can honestly say I don't think I will EVER turn one of my dogs out on a Florida hog.   We have some unsavory characters in Texas, but I have never heard of so much BS involving hog dogging as I have heard about that Florida trip.   Dumping dogs, claiming hogs, etc.   Just not worth it for me.   

The saddest part about that is I doubt it was exagerated at all.  It is basically all we know on public lands in Florida.  I have yet to accept it though.  I am quick to share my feelings on it in the timber.   

CBK,

     I think one of the differences that was mentioned is the number of permits given per acre of land.  I don;t recall the exact numbers, but lets say it was 100 hunters on 30,000 acres, all hitting the same block of woods in the short hunting period.

Whereas when we were able to hunt the national forest, you may have a 100 or more hunters, but it was on 160,000 acres, and the "season" was about 4 times as long.

I suspect that the hunters and their lack of ethics are similar, it's just that the population density of public land hunting is more dense in Florida.

You take some/ possibly most of the national forest hunters here in Texas, and give them a week or two to hunt 30k acres, you would be reading about how sorry the Texas hunters are about dumping hogs, and claiming hogs...

It's no wonder why the general populous has a poor attitude toward hog doggers.

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Chris,

You hit it right on the head.  With this agency, they plan 4 hunt permits per 1000 acres of land.  Each permit allows the permit holder, and 2 adult helpers.  They can also bring two additional youth up to 16 years old.  So it is possible to see 5 people per permit. 

[txhogsanddogs]

Chris,

You hit it right on the head.  With this agency, they plan 4 hunt permits per 1000 acres of land.  Each permit allows the permit holder, and 2 adult helpers.  They can also bring two additional youth up to 16 years old.  So it is possible to see 5 people per permit. 

Cutter, how many permits where givin where we are hunting? 

[txhogsanddogs]

Man, i didn't know it was like that!  What happened to respect for other hunters?  SOme of the story's ive heard are crazy.  I sure hope they don't drop the box on me!  (they better locked there doors and fireproof there homes)

I'm saving my bail money now.  I ready to roll. 

This is gonna be a fun week.

Oh I'm ready too.  I'll be the first to go, nobody is going to take my unicorn! 

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Chris,

You hit it right on the head.  With this agency, they plan 4 hunt permits per 1000 acres of land.  Each permit allows the permit holder, and 2 adult helpers.  They can also bring two additional youth up to 16 years old.  So it is possible to see 5 people per permit. 

Cutter, how many permits where givin where we are hunting? 

20 .  Keep in mind I know of 4 that are taken.   

[txhogsanddogs]

Chris,

You hit it right on the head.  With this agency, they plan 4 hunt permits per 1000 acres of land.  Each permit allows the permit holder, and 2 adult helpers.  They can also bring two additional youth up to 16 years old.  So it is possible to see 5 people per permit. 

Cutter, how many permits where givin where we are hunting? 

20 .  Keep in mind I know of 4 that are taken.   

And there all outlaws aren't they? 

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Only a few, but the others can be coaxed easily.   

[sfboarbuster]

Only a few, but the others can be coaxed easily.   

Your not calling me an outlaw, are you cutter

[charles]

Rebel, rebel, rebel. The time is near or has past. If nothn is done to stop it soon, by the time the red tape trail is severed, it'll b to late. The damage will hav been done n b dam hard to reverse it under the normal legal system. Bein an outlaw only puts a black mark on all hunters, no matter what animal is hunted. I used to hunt illegal, but it was just to put food on the table n in my families stomach. Never did it just to dispite the laws for sh!ts n grins. Somethn has to b done to stop the political upheaval that is waging a heavy burden on the tax payers for the personal gain of the politicians

[hank]

In my county and surrounding, between the county, swiftmud and the state park there is over 100 thousand acres of preserves with no hunting allowed. The same guy is the trapper for all of them. He makes his living off of trapping hogs. If it was private land I say good for him. Since my tax dollars paid for the land thats not my stance. Why not allow regular hunters who pay for that property to harvest those hogs? He has so much property that he can't keep up with it, and what is his incentive to? As long as there are hogs he has a job. I was in one of them the other day and every road and manicured area was tore up by hogs. I'd sure be happy to help out. Even if I couldn't take dogs. I'd love to take my boy out there and shoot a couple. If it's guns that the problem just allow bow. If its poaching thats their worried about, they are dillusional if they don't think its happening already.  I'm with Noah on this one and the fisheries management.

 Quick story
 My brother in law was out on a local river recently with his northern cousin. I was supposed to go but my boat broke. They went out at night to show him some gators and stuff. No laws were broken or intended to be broken. The helicopter flew over him for over and hr. On his way home. 6 deputies jumped out of the bushes with night vision goggles, guns drawn, put your hands in the air, full cop routine. Now his 10yr old cousin has a bright headlamp on and obviously looks right at the cops. They start yelling and stuff, kid doesn't realize what he is doing. Cops detain and harrass them for 30 mins before letting them go because they did not do anything wrong. How many tax dollars did that little stunt cost?
  A yr ago I was bowfishing with same brother in law. Someone calls cops on us. We were 100% legal. Cops pull up on us and draw guns. Again full cop, hands in the air drop your weapons stuff.  I was standing on a bridge and tried to explain that I didn't want to drop my bow 5'. They wouldn't hear it and had guns pointed so I dropped it. Detained us and 3 teenage bow that were just watching for 45min before telling us to carry on because what we were doing was legal.
 Sorry about my rant!

[Cutter Bay Kennels]

Got my permits in the mail today.