Loose or Rough and Justify

[Strike Dog Kennels]

If a hog wants to run, it's gonna run no matter what you throw at it... period.

Amen to that!  Since we started using the garmin tracker on the dogs we've noticed how the running hogs stick to certain trails.  We hunt some thick, pine tree, green briar matted crap and it seems like if you can't get the hogs caught before they get on their trails, then you'll run one all night.  Before they get on a trail a poodle could bay them up.  After they get on the trail the dogs could bite off both back hams and the hog still would not stop.  Sometimes a hog will run to the end of a trail, if the dogs are still after it, it'll do a 180 on the dogs and start the trail all over again.  Our dogs have a hard time catching hogs in East Tx, but when we go to the open parts of Tx our dogs do really well because of the terrain difference.
*A solution to the problem may be to breed the run out of the hogs*

[halfbreed]

makes me wonder why my rough pack  of cats would make one sit down in the middle of a plowed feild and protect his arrs and if he thought of  standing back up theyed make him sit down again ?

[NechesBobcat]

Well this has been discussed more times than the sun has come up and went back down but I'll bite...

I've got loose baying dogs and they have stopped lots of hogs that rough dogs made run all day. In my opinion, I think most hogs aren't threatened by a dog until the dog gets too close or bites it. I've seen some bad hogs stand there and let loose dogs bay them all day and throw in a rough dog and he's headed to the next county.

I brought 3 other guys that all had their own pack of rough dogs to this spot and they ran this hog all day. I went back a couple weeks later and bayed him in about the same spot and kept him bayed for 2 hours with 2 loose dogs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT6ijydQkKU

[NechesBobcat]

A bay dog is suposed to bay. If you want a rough dog, get a catch dog. I don't want my good dogs getting cut up anyways.

[halfbreed]

it all being said some dogs just know how to work a hog and some know how to catch a hog and some know how to bark at a hog and when you wind up with a pack of dogs that do all the above you got it made   

[TexasHogDogs]

Big Hogs

If you want to run, bay, run again Big Hogs Loose if you want to stop and catch Big Hogs ruff.

There is not much inbetween !  Done been there done both !

[Reuben]

makes me wonder why my rough pack  of cats would make one sit down in the middle of a plowed feild and protect his arrs and if he thought of  standing back up theyed make him sit down again ?

I like rough bay dogs, and they can stop a bad hog unless the brush is thick and enough dogs can't get situated right to work it. The smart gritty or rough dogs know to stay clear of the tusks on the average, but when the dogs are fresh they throw caution to the wind and that is one way they get cut and the other way is when they get caught up where they can not move out the way...

Hogs know to run to and through the thickest brush because they know a dog can not keep up. The hog also knows he has the advantage in close quarters especially if the dog can't move around because of the thick brush. having said that I still like the gritty to rough dogs.

[Noah]

Well this has been discussed more times than the sun has come up and went back down but I'll bite...

I've got loose baying dogs and they have stopped lots of hogs that rough dogs made run all day. In my opinion, I think most hogs aren't threatened by a dog until the dog gets too close or bites it. I've seen some bad hogs stand there and let loose dogs bay them all day and throw in a rough dog and he's headed to the next county.

I brought 3 other guys that all had their own pack of rough dogs to this spot and they ran this hog all day. I went back a couple weeks later and bayed him in about the same spot and kept him bayed for 2 hours with 2 loose dogs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT6ijydQkKU

Hey NechesBobcat.... why don't you show me the ending to that video and I'll be impressed.

There's PLENTY of dogs out there that can bark at a hog... show me a BAY dog that can hold a hog tight long enough to get a CATCH DOG to it(and I'm not talkin' about a bloody RCD) and then you can talk chit.

I apologize if you just decided not to show the ending to that clip when you walked your CD right up to that "bayed up" hog and CLIPPED your catch dog on his ear...  maybe you can show us the rest of it then? 

TOO MANY DILLHOLES think they got baydogs just because their dog can find and bark at a F'n hog... ask them to catch that hog with THEIR OWN CATCH DOG and see what you got then....

On a side note, your dogs looked good... just like to see you finish it if you gonna talk smack about rough dogs...

[NechesBobcat]

As far as I'm concerned it was finished. The dogs did exactly what I trained them to do. You have any video of your dogs baying a hog that other dogs couldn't stop? What do you call baying if this isn't baying? I'm not worried about a running catch dog or any catch dog. My dogs found this hog and kept it in one spot until I could get there. I let them bay it a while and called them off. I don't even own a catchdog. If I would have had one and he couldn't catch that hog then I would have culled him. How is it you think I'm talking sh1t? There are no bloody running catch dogs in this video that I'm aware of.

[warrent423]

Don't have any use for a dog that won't attempt to stop a hog.
There's a big difference between a dog that will CHASE a hog until the hog DECIDES to stop, and a dog that will attempt to STOP the hog. Don't mine one backing up(10 to 12 inches ), and respecting a settled bay, but you can't stop one that breaks from fifteen feet away  
 

[Noah]

Why yes, yes I do... and lot's of pictures too...  

Sorry for callin' you out, if you were plannin' on shooting that hog... well, you accomplished what was required...

[T-Bob Parker]

Noah, smoking that swamp cabbage tonight? Not only is what you said full of bull, but it doesn't even make sense?!?


This n't a catch dog thread, he asked wether you like loose or rough and why.

[Noah]

HAHA... but for those of us that actually CATCH hogs... WITH CATCH DOGS... the style of your bay dog matters much grasshopper 

[TColt]

Big Hogs

If you want to run, bay, run again Big Hogs Loose if you want to stop and catch Big Hogs ruff.

There is not much inbetween !  Done been there done both !

I think that good dogs know when to be rough and when to bay. When a big boar turns to fight and cur dogs get rough on him, they are gonna end up gettin killed or hurt. Good dogs will apply pressure when needed and back off when needed, my opinion that would be rough when I hog wants to break, and loose when a hog wants to fight.

[ole shep]

Well lets see which side of the fence I'm on tonight?  I like to keep 2or 3 dogs that hate a hog but are to scared to get very close these dogs need good nose big mouth and lots of bottom. When they bay   Ease in some ear bitter with a lock jaw and long legs in case hog breaks from the noise of him coming and should be caught hog.   Sounds simple.   I wish it worked every time.

[Noah]

I wish it worked every time.

You and me both brother 

[T-Bob Parker]

HAHA... but for those of us that actually CATCH hogs... WITH CATCH DOGS... the style of your bay dog matters much grasshopper 

Sure thing Hemingway  

Maybe you should clarify what you mean by those of us actually catch hogs.

If a fella wanted to be a real douche, one could say your making up for a lack of true work ethic with the unending desire for more drive and grit. Never having met you or your dogs, I believe them to be effective, but if you think your way is the only way then I will proceed no further in this silliness.

[Noah]

Well said brother    There are many paths to the same end... 

[Critter Catcher]

Well my bowl popcorn ran out and my hunt got cancelled and still no fights broke out. So far what I gather is breed my rough dog to my loose dog and hope for pressure from the pups. That's what I thought, that was the actual goal of my breeding plans. .25 pit .25 cat .25 redbone and last but not least .25 YBM ending up with dogs that have grit brains a nose and bottom. I know it can come out of one breed but in this game attributes from several breeds make an excellent combination. What I want is a dog that will bay a stopped hog bite his hind when it tries to break but that is my want. I believe the strongest attribute a dog can have is brains, it is smart enough it will know when to do what.

[T-Bob Parker]

Well my bowl popcorn ran out and my hunt got cancelled and still no fights broke out. So far what I gather is breed my rough dog to my loose dog and hope for pressure from the pups. That's what I thought, that was the actual goal of my breeding plans. .25 pit .25 cat .25 redbone and last but not least .25 YBM ending up with dogs that have grit brains a nose and bottom. I know it can come out of one breed but in this game attributes from several breeds make an excellent combination. What I want is a dog that will bay a stopped hog bite his hind when it tries to break but that is my want. I believe the strongest attribute a dog can have is brains, it is smart enough it will know when to do what.

Then again you may end up with a fatheaded spotted dog with droopy skin and a cow habit