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CodyJ
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« on: October 28, 2011, 06:40:50 am » |
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Hey y'all, This may sound like a crazy azz question, but I see on here alot someone talking about a dog having alot of bottom. What does that mean? Thanks for the info.
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blakebh
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 07:03:56 am » |
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To me bottom means how far or long a dog will run a hog after they find him. JMO I have a couple that will get out over a mile or more on bad runners and I consider them both to have pretty good bottom! With the places I have to hunt I really dont want a dog that will leave the country even though mine do on occasion. LOL
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wranglercurs
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 08:29:52 am » |
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To me bottom means how far or long a dog will run a hog after they find him.
I'd say one that get's out and hunts and works hard. JMO |
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Circle C
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 08:41:34 am » |
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Range is how far one hunts looking for a track/hog.
Bottom is how long one sticks with it before quitting. Either grinding out the track, or sticking with a hog after it breaks.
A dog that hunts out a hundred yards, finds a hog, bays it a minute, then it breaks and the dog comes back 15 minutes later... To me that's a short range dog, without much bottom. Something you may want if you have small acreage.
A dog that finds a hog, then the bay breaks, and 3 hours and 7 miles later you find them bayed. That's a dog with bottom.
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Reuben
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 09:00:16 am » |
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Range is how far one hunts looking for a track/hog.
Bottom is how long one sticks with it before quitting. Either grinding out the track, or sticking with a hog after it breaks.
A dog that hunts out a hundred yards, finds a hog, bays it a minute, then it breaks and the dog comes back 15 minutes later... To me that's a short range dog, without much bottom. Something you may want if you have small acreage.
A dog that finds a hog, then the bay breaks, and 3 hours and 7 miles later you find them bayed. That's a dog with bottom.
x2...in the old days we called it stick or sticking to the track no matter what...I like a dog that will stick until he bays a hog at the other end of those track... |
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bigo
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 09:16:12 am » |
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Bottom is the desire to complete a task at all cost, even their own life.
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wranglercurs
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 09:22:13 am » |
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Circle C hit it on the head. He's had more sleep than I have this mornin thats kind of what I wanted to say.lol
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CodyJ
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 03:06:46 pm » |
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Thanks y'all I have been wondering about that.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2011, 08:32:32 pm » |
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bottom to me is how tough a dog is. when you can't find a dog's bottom, that means he can take all conditons i.e. heat, cold, rough terrain, lack of water etc. all day long and then some and it won't phase his ability and desire to hunt.
stick is how long a dog stays with game...
i've seen dogs with more bottom than stick, and you can have a dog with a lot of stick and very little bottom.
the later are the ones you loose to heatstroke, dehydration, always sore footed ect. because they have more stick on a race but not enough bottom to finish it.
but this is a grey area subject, and this is only how i see it.
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Reuben
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2011, 04:15:02 am » |
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bottom to me is how tough a dog is. when you can't find a dog's bottom, that means he can take all conditons i.e. heat, cold, rough terrain, lack of water etc. all day long and then some and it won't phase his ability and desire to hunt.
stick is how long a dog stays with game...
i've seen dogs with more bottom than stick, and you can have a dog with a lot of stick and very little bottom.
the later are the ones you loose to heatstroke, dehydration, always sore footed ect. because they have more stick on a race but not enough bottom to finish it.
but this is a grey area subject, and this is only how i see it.
you make some good points but I can't see having stick without bottom or bottom without stick...it is the same for me but then it may not be for someone else... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2011, 10:16:07 am » |
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i wouldn't have one without the other either.
when a dog "bottoms out" he can't go any more.
when a dog doesn't have enough stick, he quits the race, comes back in and is perfectly fine.
You are right though, rueben, they should go together, along with heart. those three traits are all pretty similar, as far as what we want good quality dogs to posess, i don't have a problem with lumping them all together.
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