T-Bob Parker
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« on: November 13, 2011, 08:00:27 pm » |
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I worked for an Arabian horse breeder in high school who had a big ¿warlock or Warwick? Doberman who ater we cleaned stalls we could tell him to go get sassy or brick or whichever horse and he would go push the horse to its stall gate. You could tell him there was a skunk or possum or armadillo whatever and he would go squash kt and come back. He was a great dog. Has anybody ever tried one on hogs? I bet with a lil direction they'd be jam up.
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2011, 08:06:01 pm » |
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You might be right on the money here, they are extremely intelligent and obedient. With the right training they could be a lead dog
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2011, 08:21:00 pm » |
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Yes smart and they use them for drug sniffers aught to be able to make a dog with the right direction
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T-Bob Parker
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2011, 08:24:38 pm » |
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I know right, like most German bred dogs, the lime bred ones are hard and very utilitarian. With the proper direction and a smart young handler it wouldn't take a fella but a few generations before you'd have a full sized jagd terrier
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Reuben
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2011, 09:15:45 pm » |
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I used to raise dobermans and airedales...I thought they would make a good cross and have shorter coated or broken coated good dogs. I think the american bred dobermans are about ruined and the german bred dogs are still pretty good.
The warlock bloodline is pretty much diluted on account that dog was around in the 1950's...
I did hear that a doberman was leading a hog dog pack around and he was a good strike trail dog. but that is second hand information. I do think that the right doberman would work...
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2011, 09:28:38 pm » |
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I know somebody who breeds smart dobermans terry I will get u one next we hunt ha
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2011, 10:31:16 pm » |
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Do a search on here for Digemdown's posts about the one he had named booger. I know there are several posts about him. I hunted with the dog several times and he got it done. He wasnt my cup of tea but he was a hog dog
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2011, 12:28:41 am » |
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my mom raised dobermans when i was a kid... we loved the breed until my little friend poked our lead male in the xhole with a stick and needless to say the dobermans days were over. i know our old red dog was he!! on rabitts. I guess they are like most dogs, there will be some that work good.
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T-Bob Parker
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2011, 11:24:40 am » |
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I've seen alot of these black and tan catahoulas that I swear must have some Doberman in them. Even have a cousin who used to know a south African hunter who used Doberman and afghan hound crosses to course jackals in the south African plains. Maybe if you crossed one with an Airedale you could get serious hard bodily running catch dog.
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2011, 11:38:03 am » |
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Not to hi jack anything but the best catchdog I ever had was a rottweiler gyp that weighed 80lbs she was was well behaved. Never needed a lead she would run next to me when I told her to go catch it she would no matter what it was. Hog, cow or person. When you told her that was enough she would back off and come back and stand right next to me. Loved that dog.
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2011, 11:43:56 am » |
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Not to hi jack anything but the best catchdog I ever had was a rottweiler gyp that weighed 80lbs she was was well behaved. Never needed a lead she would run next to me when I told her to go catch it she would no matter what it was. Hog, cow or person. When you told her that was enough she would back off and come back and stand right next to me. Loved that dog.
back when I had a few airedales this guy had a rott female he wanted to try. put her in a bay pen and she caught...took here to the woods and she was hunting on her first tme out. The airedale I had bayed a boar and she went to him like a rocket and both were caught solid...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2011, 12:36:40 pm » |
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i have pondered on this many times in the last year. i just might try it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2011, 01:06:49 pm » |
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As a kid growing up everyone let their dogs run. Every dogfight that I saw with a Dobey involved ended up with the Dobey on its back singing or on a dead run being chased. They seemed to me to have low tolerance for pain. Maybe just the ones I was around but I would doubt the heart.
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T-Bob Parker
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2011, 01:33:16 pm » |
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The same could be said for most hounds I've encountered, we ain't talking dog fighting though, we're talking about the evolution of hog doggin, no more will you need a yard full of curs and hounds. Just get two good smart Dobermans, two jammed up lil jagds and a great Dane for a catch dog.
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2011, 01:42:02 pm » |
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Tbob that would be 1 gritty pack and should able to stop anything in the woods, there have been time I needed a pack like that to get the big ones. Tell you if someone had a pack like that they would be hell in a tournament like Halletsville.
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2011, 02:40:54 pm » |
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lime bred ones are hard and very utilitarian. The lemon bread ones would be more heat tollerant and might even be more apt to work .
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If you aint willing to stay on the ground and fight with your dogs, get the He!! out of the woods city boy stay in the stand and shoot em.
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T-Bob Parker
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2011, 02:58:41 pm » |
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lime bred ones are hard and very utilitarian. The lemon bread ones would be more heat tollerant and might even be more apt to work . Good catch, but seriously, if anybody can find a real, hard line of Dobermans I think they'd be worth the effort. I believe there was a genius who used to be on here who took a used up, pet bred, worthless strain of tall dogs called great Danes and thru hard work and determination created one of the greatest strains of working dogs the world has ever seen, he even got famous and got to be idolized by his peers. Sure, lotsa haters be talking crap, but its only cuz they wish they half his talent. If you just wanna be a hater that's fine but I suggests these young hog doggers forget about these old school yellows and cats, and go out on a limb. If it dont work then I stand corrected but if you make it work the possibilities could be endless...
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2011, 05:33:34 pm » |
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Mr Orr the lawyer in bay city use to always keep a doberman they would work cows like any cur dog out there. my uncle had one he use to run back in the day. he was always telling me stories about how that doberman would come back to them with a shoat in his mouth. the dog would come across a shoat, catch it and bring it back to them still alive. i have always wanted to try a doberman ever since then, just never had the opportunity.
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2011, 06:37:54 pm » |
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I like most working dogs but I haven't seen a good looking, working type doberman in a long time...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2011, 09:16:26 pm » |
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I used to know a few good breeders. But only if you want to spend $2,500+ on a Dobe. They are big Dobes and come from European lines. They are some real nice dogs. The Dobermans I knew were some fast dogs that could cover some ground. I dealt with them as guard dogs. But I preferred the Rottwieler for many reasons but is came down to how they caught a person. The guy that wore the suit and was the target made it real clear on my first Rott. We went through the threats and taunts and I released the dog. When that dog bit the sleeve he slid out instead of the normal fight. I put the dog on a tree and went over to the truck to ask why he did not work the dog. He showed me his arm and said he needed a thicker sleeve. The Rott bit right through the sleeve we used to work the Dobes. Find videos of people training the two dogs and see their natural catching style. I would bet the Dobes are faster. The Rotts are natural hearders. Just comes down to your personal choice and what you want. If you want the breeder info PM me because I don't advertise for anyone.
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