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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2011, 03:44:23 pm » |
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Whatever dogs I choose to pair, you can bet will be chosen from truly hard dogs... The problem with using non-bull types(Dane, Ridge, Mastiff, etc) for the purposes of increasing size, is it seems the bite strength/hardness is not always consistent with that of a good bulldog...
Making sure both sides of the pairing are proven hard dogs should help with the percentage of pups to turn out...
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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2011, 04:01:26 pm » |
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I don't believe you are adding anything to a catch dog by breeding a bay dog into it. If you want handle ability to hold and brains the answer is simple. Find a pair of catch dogs that have these qualities. There are some great performance bred ABs, pits, and dogos that possess these traits. When we breed dogs for catching we look at brains stamina and recovery time much more so than pure brawn. I like a dog that can turn it on when it's go time and shut it down just as fast once the job is done. I like leading my dog to a bay not the dog leading me. I also like when my catch dog can be turned loose into a group of hogs and keys on the larger hogs and not pig crushing. We have been fortunate enough to have these qualities in our catch dogs and will continue to try and breed for more like them when needed. As far as looks go, I like long legs deep chested dogs with a longer muzzle (sure big headed mongrels look cool but longer muzzles tend to breathe better) that are athletic and can flat out run. I do not like an extremely broad chested dog or one with a short neck. I also prefer my catch dogs white seems the hogs go toward the catch dog which means caught pig also easier to determine which is the business end at night.
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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2011, 05:20:49 pm » |
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I agree with not trying to cross a bay dog on something in hopes of making high percentage catch dogs... but there are good lines of cur dogs over here that are known for being straight catch... what they lack, in my opinion, is size.... that's where I want to bring in a Dogo or other larger breed that would complement the cur dog and vice versa... bring the big dog's size down a bit, add to athleticism... maintain hardness... An example... My Shine dog(my lead "bay dog"), both her mother and father were used as walk in catch dogs as well as strike dogs... both VISE GRIP hard... and I mean hard... If I wasn't worried about birthing complications I'd cross Shine with an athletic Dogo and I'd be set... Shine moves through a briar patch like a damn rabbit... a quality that most CD's lack... How big are your CD's(I mean Krystal's CD's  ) Doggie? They're straight Dogo right? |
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« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2011, 06:33:58 pm » |
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I like mine two ways athletic or somethin like a lineman hittin a 2nd grader   They are definitely muscled up!! Id love to see a pic of them on a hog!!! I doubt you will. What we have here is purely an Internet hogger.  |
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2011, 06:38:32 pm » |
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For the record, the smartest dog I ever worked with was a pure pit. I've messed with all different types and breeds, but he was truly the smartest and easiest commanded dog I've ever worked with. I kick myself everytime I think about heat stroking him. Were there better catchdogs? Yes. Was he a great all-around catch dog? Yes. He was the total package.
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« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2011, 06:41:32 pm » |
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My boy . I almost sold him a couple times just could'nt make myself do it , glad I did'nt.   Two good'ens. White one is Cory's.  |
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« Reply #46 on: December 27, 2011, 06:44:09 pm » |
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noah i think shiner would survive pups with a dogo cross and cutter someone has to take over boar ninjas spot  |
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« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2011, 06:45:32 pm » |
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and cutter someone has to take over boar ninjas spot Boarninja posts pics atleast once a year... |
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« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2011, 06:46:56 pm » |
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My Cotton dog is about 75# and is half AB half Dogo. Krystal's main catch dog Smoochy is a full sister and closer to 90#. Both are very good natured and both run extremely well. We do have Karma that is 3/4 AB and 1/4 Dogo and is probably our most athletic dog but she lacks the calmness of the other two. I understand where you are coming from on rough lines of currs but if you're speaking catch dogs and overall probabilities of being a great CD I feel you can find the specimen of one of the bully breeds and use that.
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« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2011, 06:48:17 pm » |
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hey i post pics... well not of hogs but pics none the less sir plus nobody asks....  |
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« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2011, 06:53:59 pm » |
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hey i post pics... well not of hogs but pics none the less sir plus nobody asks.... I want to see pics of you with your dogs and at least one hog in the woods ( not pen). There I asked.  |
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« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2011, 06:59:51 pm » |
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My ridgeback has one hell of a bite when he locks aint nothing but choking or break stick if u can get it in there going to get him off. With a good ridgeback I don't think you will lose any hardness. Maybe I'm just lucky but the female I have is really showing to be hard as well and straight catch or extremely gritty so to me crossing with something like this is no different that a straight catch cur dog. Imo I think you would get exactly what your looking for in a ridgeback/pit. The size is not what I am trying to add it is his brains, heat tolerance, wind and ability to move.
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« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2011, 07:12:02 pm » |
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no offense i havr seen and owned a few ridgebacks there to goofy lack the brains that jmo
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« Reply #53 on: December 27, 2011, 07:19:46 pm » |
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no offense i havr seen and owned a few ridgebacks there to goofy lack the brains that jmo
x2, most the Ridgebacks I've been around were gorgeous goof balls prone to cancer... show bred in other words... wonder if there's still any working lines out there... defenitely good looking dogs |
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« Reply #54 on: December 27, 2011, 07:25:19 pm » |
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i think you can get some out of african blood lines but not sure i have only seen one in my entire life that wasnt just a spaz
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« Reply #55 on: December 27, 2011, 07:29:16 pm » |
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I'm going on limited experience with the ones I have been around. Goofy yes but smart as can be but I don't mind the goofyness they know when it is work time.
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« Reply #56 on: December 27, 2011, 07:29:34 pm » |
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I have a rigeback cur and hes one of the best catch dogs ive seen. Perfectly silent with one hell of a bite. Need a break stick to get off. In glad he s on my side lol. I think everyone is on the bulldog bandwagon though.
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« Reply #57 on: December 27, 2011, 07:35:36 pm » |
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If you're trying to start a "line", then stick with the bulldog breeds. Yes, you may get some damn good crosses with cur dogs, but what's gonna happen when you breed the offspring? Those pups more than likely will be all over the place.
You've got the dogo, find you a couple of good pit gyps if you want to get the size down... and take it from there.
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« Reply #58 on: December 27, 2011, 07:41:59 pm » |
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Just not exactly what I'm after Mike... I don't mind a few culls as long as I get EXACTLY what I'm after Would you not like to reproduce that Clifford dog you used to have? Always liked the looks of that sucker |
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« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2011, 07:50:27 pm » |
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3/4 catahoula 1/4 pit, 82 lbs. Long legs, big head, very athletic build not To bulky   Only problem is If you are going to tie um you have to use a break stick to get him off. |
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