Your ideal catch dog... specifics please...

[Mike]

I would have loved to reproduce Clifford. But I always knew it would be a crap shoot because he was an AB/ cat cross. I would have only bred him back to a full AB. Even then there was no guarantees because of the 1/4 cur blood.

Like I said, you may find a hell of an F1 cross, but your cull rate will increase dramatically when you breed them... assuming you're looking for straight catch dogs.

[CentralTex 254]

Or you could find another great catchd and BAM awesomness jk. And Mike it still wont let me post any pics

[Noah]

Don't mind the high cull rate, if it means possible improvement on what I have seen...  I don't like what I see.  You can breed good to good and maybe get mediocre...  breed good to "freak" and you may just get lucky and set a standard for the "new" good 

Only one way to find out I guess 

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Noah your not going to have any trouble with hardness in this type of cross and I do think you are on the right track. The "type" of cur dog you will use supplies the hardness with brains that you seek and the Dogo just give you a little more frame and weight without sacrificing anything else.

Keeping the litter and making your pics when they are at an age where you know what you have will produce results. I have worked with hard cur dogs for quite a while, when one or two can catch and hold grown horned cattle without getting killed then that is the right type of cur dog for a cross like this.

make them a 1/4 Stag and they might be perfect

[T-Bob Parker]

You seem to get in with a few old dogmen in your area, start asking for who they respected in the pits. Then if you're able, scribe a hand written letter describing your desire and intent.

Then pray.

I dont think youve described anything out of the realm of possibilities for a true game pit. They aren't bulked up bad boys or dumb brutes. Well actually, what do i know, im still in the process of finding the man to write a letter to.  

[Noah]

Thanks Paul, you and I on the same page I think 

T-Bob, I ain't got nothin' against pits or AmBulls, just never seen one I'd use to make what I'm after... but there might be some out there I guess

[T-Bob Parker]

Thanks Paul, you and I on the same page I think 

T-Bob, I ain't got nothin' against pits or AmBulls, just never seen one I'd use to make what I'm after... but there might be some out there I guess

No hard feelings here, that's the way the creators of the Dogo Argentine felt as well and we all see the fruits of their labor. NO,  THATS NOT A JAB AT DOGOS 

In all seriousness, get after it! You may strike gold.

[Noah]

Dogos have become stagnant in my opinion... I aim to breath life back into them... 

[T-Bob Parker]

Im just playing. I know you know that but I dont want the rest of the unicorn community to get up in arms. I'd bet you would a fine job. They are essentially a successful experimental breed to begin with. I'd bet the original "dogo hombres" hang their heads in shame at what has become of their lifes work.

I saw a litter of "budro" pits on Craigslist today that made me simply "lol"

Good luck,when you get them the way you want em, send a few your favorite Texans. And me too.

[Noah]

No doubt brother... It is a strange thing, those that love the Dogo so much and want to preserve it... for the most part it seems, have no idea what it is they are trying to preserve... because of their efforts, however, there remains a shell of an animal created by those after something better... enough of a shell, I hope, to improve upon again

[koyote76]

noah,

i didnt feel like reading all of the post but in response to the topic, i say breed that dogo to one of your curs. the hardest cur you got. and i think you would have to keep the entire litter, you might only get a few pups that make it, which i think would be worth it, and as far as creating the "line" if you keep all your pups on all your breedings and cull hard, you will set the traits you want, but i imagine your cull rate will vary with every litter. it would be worth it even if you only get two pups out of the first breeding and culled the rest.

do you want to breed the dogo to your curs, or another line?

[TColt]

I would like one like my old soco dog 3 inches taller, 15 lbs heavier, with an off switch, and not all white, maybe black or brindle with a white rear end so I could see his but stickin out of the brush pile when he's caught on a hog.

Hopefully duece will turn out like that, the off switch ain't lookin promising though.

[PEEWEE]

I've tried a bunch of different types of catch dogs trying to get the type of catch dog I need for the way i hunt even tried breeding the catch dog I need(so you know i don't leed a catch dog to a bay only leed a catch dog when walk hunting when I get a solid bay I send the catch dog whether it be 5ft or 500 yards ) i look for a dog that can run however far it needs to catch the hog control it till i get there and be ready for another now I've used straight pits most were to small for my liking and whine to much pit crosses pit/cur pit/cat and so on problem with the cross was inconsistent and yes i did have some good cRoss catch dogs but to reproduce that dog was a crap shoot had a dam good 1/2 ab 1/2 catahoula crossed him with a full ab bitch she had 8 pups 6were ok catch dogs the other to wouldn't catch at all they bayed

[PEEWEE]

Dam hit post before i was done
I've also tried the pit/cur pit/cat problem there was if i got size and power i lost stamina and brains or vise versa tried dogo not saying there not out there but i couldn't find one that would catch and try to tear the hog apart or didn't catch at all after trying all kinds of catch dogs I kept going back to a well bred performance ab not a Johnson type or hybrid now that's just my experience with catch dogs and there alot easier to reproduce

[tmatt]

Noah, my APBTs are basically what your describing just a little smaller. The red one in the back of the truck had brains like you wouldn't believe and a bite to go along with it. He could be pulled off and told to stay and he would sit there as long as you wanted him to. You could walk off and unless you called him, he would stay there.

[warrent423]

A long, leggy, block headed 75-80lb curdog that catches and comes off on command is hard to beat

[djhogdogger]

I couldn't list all of the specifics so here is a pic of my ideal catch dog

 

[PEEWEE]

Lol Dj is he gonna catch hogs or just eat them ?

[sfboarbuster]

A long, leggy, block headed 75-80lb curdog that catches and comes off on command is hard to beat

Ain't nothin' better

[hillcountry]

 perfect  catch  dog for me is my 41 magmun and my back up catchdog is my  30-30 win