what breeds went into the general ab

[Purebreedcolt]

Had a woman tell me my 5/8 dogo 3/8 ab with a touch of mastif in her that she was a pretty pit.  I told her she did not have a bit of pit in her and what she was and she said where u think they came from? I tried to tell her.  Didn't work so.  I know about the dogo but what about the ab what is the basis of the american bulldog more the game or scott type?  I think I know but not sure

[dwhd93]

You cab probably find it on Google

[Purebreedcolt]

I have looked and every thing is vary vague just says bulldog type and added in breeds to make them what they are today

[jimco]

I googled Am. Bulldog and this appears to be how and where they come about.


History in Spain and England

The history of Mastiff-type dogs in the British Isles predates the arrival of Caesar. With the arrival of the Normans in 1066 came Spanish Alaunts from the continent. The breeding of the indigenous mastiffs to the newly arrived ones produced the Mastiff and bulldog of England. An interesting side note is that all descriptions of the Spanish Alaunts (there were three types) mention an all white, or mostly white coat.

In Spain and England during the 17th and 18th centuries, bulldogs were used on farms to catch and hold livestock, as butchers' dogs, as guardians, as well as for other tasks. Many settlers brought these dogs with them to help around the farm, hunt in the woods, guard property, and for gambling and sport.

In 1835, the sport of bull-baiting was outlawed in Spain and the United Kingdom and, over time, the bulldog became a common pet, being bred into today's more compact and complacent version. The product was as much from the efforts of selectively bred bulldogs as it was the introduction of the pug. However, some strains of bulldog type dogs maintained their utilitarian purpose, and thus underwent fewer modifications, even as their popularity declined in favor of other breeds. Even the slight modifications the bulldog underwent in Spain and England up to the Industrial Revolution (before 1835), were absent in the working strains. Most settlers of the American South came from the West Midlands of England and emigrated as a result of the Civil War between Royalists and Parliamentarians, well before the Industrial Revolution). Bulldogs in Spain and England were originally working dogs who drove and caught cattle and guarded their masters' property.

[jimco]

A little more reading on the subject.

By the end of World War II, however, these bulldog type strains were becoming extinct. Mr. John D. Johnson, a returning war veteran, decided to resurrect this breed. He found many of the best specimens of these working type dogs and started recording pedigrees and family trees. His aim was to produce a large farm guardian-type bulldog, reminiscent of the bulldogs of old. Later Alan Scott and several other breeders joined Johnson's efforts to resurrect and recreate the old time bulldogs. Johnson and Scott began to carefully breed American bulldogs, keeping careful records and always with an eye for maintaining the breed's health and working abilities. Initially Johnson and Scott had a similar vision and even traded dogs with each other. However in time there was a split between their visions and resulted in the two distinct types of American Bulldog. Alan Scott preferred a smaller more athletic dog with a longer muzzle that could be used for cattle catching as well as wild boar hunting. John Johnson preferred a larger more massive dog with a shorter muzzle that was more of a guardian type dog. Over time the two founding breeders as well as important breeders crossed in other breeds to help meet their goal of the ideal working bulldog. Originally the breed was called the American Pit Bulldog and in the 1970s registered with the National Kennel Club (NKC) as such. Later the name was changed to American Bulldog to avoid confusion with the American Pit Bull Terrier. The American bulldog was recognized by the United Kennel Club on January 1, 1999. Currently the breed is recognized by the NKC, UKC, ABRA and the American Bulldog Association (ABA) And the SACBR www.sacbr.co.za South Africa.

Perhaps the most important role of the bulldog and the reason for its survival, and in fact why it thrived throughout the South, was because of the presence of feral pigs, introduced to the New World and without predators.[2] The bulldogs were the settlers' only means of sufficiently dealing with the vermin. By World War II, the breed was near extinction until John D. Johnson and his father scoured the backroads of the South looking for the best specimens to revive the breed. During this time a young Alan Scott grew an interest in Mr. Johnson's dogs and began to work with him on the revitalization process. At some point, Alan Scott began infusing non-Johnson catch bulldogs from working southern farms with John D. Johnson's line creating the now Standard American Bulldog. At another point, Mr. Johnson began crossing his line with an atavistic English bulldog from the North that had maintained its genetic athletic vigor. This created a falling out between Johnson and Scott causing them to go their separate ways and breed the two significantly different versions of the American bulldog

[Purebreedcolt]

See this is a good over view but not vary specific

[bulldogger]

Pit and Bulldog are same thing back in day in America, not talking English Bulldog.  I have some family pics of bulldogs from 1922 and they look like a pit but just call them bulldogs on back named Mickie.  My grandma is in pic and is 2.  She is 90 now.  This was on Oil lease she grew up on in Oklahoma.  I was at NFL Hall of Fame in Canton and had a team picture of Canton Bulldogs from around 1900 and in picture was a pit and he was the bulldog mascott.  The pit term were for the ones used in that regard but many used bulldog for guardians and some for sotck and killing varment and wild dogs or just pets.  This is just my opinion.  Depending on line AB can have alot of things from: Pit, Cur, Boxer, Dogue De Bordeaux, Mastiff, Neo and I'm sure others cause some AB's even come with long hair.  I don't know if anyone has ever seen a litter of English Bulldog and pit but th pit blood can be so strong that some will look like almost a straight pit. 

[firemedic]

PBC.......why don't you just ask Mr. Alan Scott himself? He's one of my closest friends and hunting buddy, known him since the first grade. PM me and I think I can hook the 2 of you up.

[Crib]

easy on california there roo lol. also ya look close you will see them 2 men have boxing gloves on. as for  the makeup of the pit bull terrier its which camp you want to go with. the bulldog to a game terrier breed or the apbt is basically what was called stafordshire bull terriers too. look inot old stuff on bearenbisers and bullenbeisers and  has history also. as a ab man for many yrs now and before that a apbt guy i always enjoy historical stuff. as for abs i do believe in some lines they go back to dogs such as in the cool painting you posted but i also believe some abs, white english, old southern whites etc are pretty much a breed made up here in america from dogs that either looked the same a dn or did the job of what folks wanted from a so called bulldog.

This is a good sum up. There were no particular breeds, depends on who was doing the breeding. however, there was a core breed in the make up that makes the difference. One thing i can tell you, these dogs are not pits.