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« on: March 20, 2009, 01:32:36 am »

whats a good price on a medium to long rang finished dog
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2009, 03:04:55 am »

Its all a matter of opinion..... and mine is $1000-$15000  is a fair price to pay for a good rangey dog
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2009, 06:27:58 am »

Every dog is different.  Its worth what youll pay for it.   Going by what I see prices are on most boards, i gather most folks havent ever hunted with a finished hog dog.
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2009, 07:23:49 am »

Every dog is different.  Its worth what youll pay for it.   Going by what I see prices are on most boards, i gather most folks havent ever hunted with a finished hog dog.

I have never paid for a finished hog dog. I have raised some and made some out of young dogs. I was offered $2500 for one of mine and I turned it down....he then told me to price him and I told him he wasn't for sale. But in my 26 yrs of hog hunting with dogs I have seen more so called "finished" hog dogs than actual finished hog dogs.
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2009, 09:04:46 am »

There are two things which determine what a dog is worth.

#1 - What the seller thinks it's worth
#2 - Why the buyer thinks it's worth

Beyond that, it could be anywhere from free to $10,000.

I will say that buying a couple hundred dollar dog and expecting it to actually be something is like buying a lotto ticket and honestly expecting to win.  It might happen, but the chances are slim!
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2009, 09:20:36 am »

There are two things which determine what a dog is worth.

#1 - What the seller thinks it's worth
#2 - Why the buyer thinks it's worth

Beyond that, it could be anywhere from free to $10,000.

I will say that buying a couple hundred dollar dog and expecting it to actually be something is like buying a lotto ticket and honestly expecting to win.  It might happen, but the chances are slim!

Unless it is a young dog up to 2 yrs old......anyone who says they have a 2 yr old finished dog will sell you lots of things......In my opinion......
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2009, 01:26:10 pm »

I would have to say you would end up paying a goood price
for a finished dog!!! I wouldn't sell my finished dog to anyone
if I had one!!! Unless i was very ill or family problems!!
Anybody that hunt's with dogs alot and is wanting to sell a
finished dog, must be having issues or is getting out of hunting.
Other than that it's a well started dog and you just need to finish
him out!! That's my take on it My finish dog is "PRICELESS" if I
want to keep hunting......!! Even if I had 20 so called finished
dog I wouldn't sell either one. That's what put's pork on the
table!!! And trains the up and coming PUPS!!! I hunted with a
small hand full of finished dogs and they didn't want to sell
or trade for the world!!So if you are selling a finished dog,":remember
you know he produces pigs for you", if you are buying,carefull
on what you buy, but it's your money and get ready to spend
alot for a FINISHED DOG...    "PRICELESS FOR A FINISHED DOG" 
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 10:00:42 pm »

There is a finished red cur dog, last seen in southern Navarro county.  If anyone can get her back to me, I'll give you $500  and if you can get her back to me with the info of who took her I'll give $1000.
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2009, 11:05:49 pm »

A friend of mine just sold a finished papered kemmer hog dog for 4,000.  I've never paid more than 1,000.  I sold 2 for 2,500 for the pair.  Larry parker once told me sell a dog for less than they're worth and you'll make a lot of friends.
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2009, 11:17:37 pm »

In my opinion there is a huge gap between the difference between a finished and a well started dog. What some people call a finished others would say well started. Dogs and owners alike are always learning and adapting to new situations and senerio's, no matter how much experience they have. A good dog and good owners are always ready for the unexpected and prepared to change a deal with any situation. And a dog may be finished for one person and their pack but when they are sold, traded, or even passed on to another, they need time to adjust and learn the new owners ways as well as the pack before they will act and hunt like they did for the previous owner. So as to the value of a finished dog I don't beleive there is a top to how much a person could pay. Good dogs with great training and will hunt and find hogs on their own are priceless like said by several others.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2009, 11:56:45 pm »

In my opinion there is a huge gap between the difference between a finished and a well started dog. What some people call a finished others would say well started. Dogs and owners alike are always learning and adapting to new situations and senerio's, no matter how much experience they have. A good dog and good owners are always ready for the unexpected and prepared to change a deal with any situation. And a dog may be finished for one person and their pack but when they are sold, traded, or even passed on to another, they need time to adjust and learn the new owners ways as well as the pack before they will act and hunt like they did for the previous owner. So as to the value of a finished dog I don't beleive there is a top to how much a person could pay. Good dogs with great training and will hunt and find hogs on their own are priceless like said by several others.

Well Put!!!! I am partners on a Campbell Cur with a friend of mine in Georgia....the first few hunts I wasn't greatly impressed, but she did hunt good.....Now she is an awesome little dog and she is getting better on every hunt!!!
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2009, 09:28:22 am »

PECOS21.... Who is your partner in Georgia that has the Campbell cur ?
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2009, 01:38:34 pm »

whats a good price on a medium to long rang finished dog

Define finished...it seems like everyone has different standards for what they call finished...some say a two year old cant be a finished dog...some say a dog that wont trash is finished...it all depends what you want out of the dog...
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2009, 05:16:07 pm »

PECOS21.... Who is your partner in Georgia that has the Campbell cur ?

Well I have the Campbell Cur here in Texas. But the Guy's name is William Smith. Another Guy I know that has one is Clay Gaines. They live North of Atlanta.
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2009, 08:59:19 pm »

people see a finished dog as a dog that has met its full potential of hunting.  meaning you will not get much more out of it.
This could be good or bad to some hunters.  I personally like to look at a finished strike dog  as a dog that when u
set him or her on the ground the dog is out hunting and looking for hogs not jacking around u.  Not meaning the dog will
strike everytime but will hunt and strike without help from other dogs.
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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 11:35:49 am »

I have a finished trash dog Grin. I hate calling any dog finsihed cause there is too much confusion on what is and what isnt, so i just tell the buyer what it will do and wont do and be honest. However i have hunted behind a few finished dogs and two of them are dead and one is M.I.A., no one can tell if a dog is finished or not by only hunting with the dog a few times, and another thing is imo is if there is a finished dog is it will hunt any way anyhow, Wind, road,  take a track, and constitly find hogs then in my eyes that is what is worth top dollar, Oh and no trashing. If it just will wind good then it is a good winding dog, if it will hunt good then it is a hard hunter if it takes a track then it is a good track dog. and i would say mastering each one is worth $500...
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2009, 02:14:29 pm »

Alot of good points made. I want to add my 2 cents worth also. I know alot of people always say "well if the dog was anygood or as good as the seller says he would not be selling it" I have a totally different opinion on that matter, because over the years I have bred alot of dogs and can't keep them all, they continuely have gotten better by breeding, raising and working them to be  them to be better, with each breeding. Generally I keep three pups from each litter for myself and by two years old I know which ones fit my program and which ones will better work for other folks, that does not mean that that I kept the "best". For instance two weeks ago I sold a 3 and half year old male dog, one of my favorites and a proven strike dog 99.9% trash broke, that would find, stop and hold a bay by himself. The reason I sold the dog was because I know he will become an better dog where he went and I take pride in knowing the dog is going only get better being the lead dog and will get get more hunts and hogs where he is at. I adore the dog, but by my hunting program, he will have had to stay in rotation with my other dogs, that I am also trying to "bring out the best in"  meaning he would only hunt 3 to 8 times per month and at new location he will hunt 12-20 times a month given him the oppertunity to really show what he is made of. So I guess what I am saying is I did not want to sell the dog, (or others the same thing) but by me sacrificing him, I in turn will better my program as I hope to better my breeding and training program by building further on a good & fair reputation. When I get calls from people who have my dogs, and they are very happy with the dogs and give me feed back that "Joker was out in front, threw his head up and took off, 875 yds by gps and bayed till we sent the catch and then caught a big boar" I am tickled to death and guess I feel like I can be happy knowing that dog, a 3rd generation bred dog is giving them exactly what I would expect from him, is pretty darn satisfying. I have gotten two calls from Florida about an 11 month old pup, completing the hunting pack as able to stop and holding the biggest hog that they have ever caught, helping me to know that what I take satisfaction in knowing I am doing something right.
Call me GOOFY or whatever, but there are dogs out there off this yard better than the dogs I hunt for myself. I feel like I sell you a crappy dog, you won't be happy and my name will be MUDD, but I sell you a dog that you are happy with then I will hopefully have your respect and will come back to me for the next dog, when you are ready, and I should be able to have the right dog for what you want, because I will know what you want in a dog.

So to what a dog is worth question, I have to say what do you want in a dog? what are you willing to put into the dog? And are you willing to pay a fair price for a dog?

Most people say "I am looking for a strike dog" well if that is all that you have to say, I can find you twenty different dogs that will strike hogs, but will they make you happy, doubt it, cause that term has too many variations and needs a much more detailed description, plus If you don't come see the dog hunt, and see for your own eyes if it works well you are setting yourself up for failure in finding the dog you are wanting and by the time a dog has changed hands 3 or more times, the dog may be confused as hell. No two people handle dogs the same, My husband and I get different results from these dogs that have been our pack for 8-10 years when we hunt seperate then what they do when we are hunting together. That is because even he and I work them differently. I got a dog here that will roll off a hog and hustle hard for me, if anybody else is there he will stay caught and have to be pulled off a caught hog, it is hard for me to believe, but when I am up at the hog he is gone already. Thomas has a 10 year old gyp that will hunt close and wind or take hot tracks and she is good, but when he is not around she rarely checks in with me, she don't like me much except at feeding time. We have owned both these dogs all their lives, but are a great example of how much conditions and enviroment can affect a dogs behaviors. So when it comes down to it, I still believe what works for one person won't work for the next person. Your junk could be my treasure and vice versa, finding the right match will take some time, miles on your vehicle, research on the buyers part, and alot of time in the woods paying attention to dogs behaviors, and an open mind, eyes and ears. Sorry to be so long, good luck, Krystal
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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2009, 07:54:32 pm »

i got a medium short range dog the hunts on the ground, in back of a truck, and just recently found out that she hunt on the hood and it would have to be a pretty good size check to get her!
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2009, 10:09:41 pm »

Alot of good points made. I want to add my 2 cents worth also. I know alot of people always say "well if the dog was anygood or as good as the seller says he would not be selling it" I have a totally different opinion on that matter, because over the years I have bred alot of dogs and can't keep them all, they continuely have gotten better by breeding, raising and working them to be  them to be better, with each breeding. Generally I keep three pups from each litter for myself and by two years old I know which ones fit my program and which ones will better work for other folks, that does not mean that that I kept the "best". For instance two weeks ago I sold a 3 and half year old male dog, one of my favorites and a proven strike dog 99.9% trash broke, that would find, stop and hold a bay by himself. The reason I sold the dog was because I know he will become an better dog where he went and I take pride in knowing the dog is going only get better being the lead dog and will get get more hunts and hogs where he is at. I adore the dog, but by my hunting program, he will have had to stay in rotation with my other dogs, that I am also trying to "bring out the best in"  meaning he would only hunt 3 to 8 times per month and at new location he will hunt 12-20 times a month given him the oppertunity to really show what he is made of. So I guess what I am saying is I did not want to sell the dog, (or others the same thing) but by me sacrificing him, I in turn will better my program as I hope to better my breeding and training program by building further on a good & fair reputation. When I get calls from people who have my dogs, and they are very happy with the dogs and give me feed back that "Joker was out in front, threw his head up and took off, 875 yds by gps and bayed till we sent the catch and then caught a big boar" I am tickled to death and guess I feel like I can be happy knowing that dog, a 3rd generation bred dog is giving them exactly what I would expect from him, is pretty darn satisfying. I have gotten two calls from Florida about an 11 month old pup, completing the hunting pack as able to stop and holding the biggest hog that they have ever caught, helping me to know that what I take satisfaction in knowing I am doing something right.
Call me GOOFY or whatever, but there are dogs out there off this yard better than the dogs I hunt for myself. I feel like I sell you a crappy dog, you won't be happy and my name will be MUDD, but I sell you a dog that you are happy with then I will hopefully have your respect and will come back to me for the next dog, when you are ready, and I should be able to have the right dog for what you want, because I will know what you want in a dog.

So to what a dog is worth question, I have to say what do you want in a dog? what are you willing to put into the dog? And are you willing to pay a fair price for a dog?

Most people say "I am looking for a strike dog" well if that is all that you have to say, I can find you twenty different dogs that will strike hogs, but will they make you happy, doubt it, cause that term has too many variations and needs a much more detailed description, plus If you don't come see the dog hunt, and see for your own eyes if it works well you are setting yourself up for failure in finding the dog you are wanting and by the time a dog has changed hands 3 or more times, the dog may be confused as hell. No two people handle dogs the same, My husband and I get different results from these dogs that have been our pack for 8-10 years when we hunt seperate then what they do when we are hunting together. That is because even he and I work them differently. I got a dog here that will roll off a hog and hustle hard for me, if anybody else is there he will stay caught and have to be pulled off a caught hog, it is hard for me to believe, but when I am up at the hog he is gone already. Thomas has a 10 year old gyp that will hunt close and wind or take hot tracks and she is good, but when he is not around she rarely checks in with me, she don't like me much except at feeding time. We have owned both these dogs all their lives, but are a great example of how much conditions and enviroment can affect a dogs behaviors. So when it comes down to it, I still believe what works for one person won't work for the next person. Your junk could be my treasure and vice versa, finding the right match will take some time, miles on your vehicle, research on the buyers part, and alot of time in the woods paying attention to dogs behaviors, and an open mind, eyes and ears. Sorry to be so long, good luck, Krystal

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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2009, 10:27:37 pm »

Well put Krystal, thanks for pickin up my slack, knew I left some important points out, I believe everthings been covered now.
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