jaguars(9 species) - east texas black panther

[muleman]

It could really be the Loch ness monster..... the drawings I found look like that. You know im just messin with you right Wolfpen??

[wolfpen]

personally i believe loch ness would be a different species, but all my experience, in this lifetime, is in this hemisphere.

[muleman]

you are probably right.... it looks like mokele mbembe is more of a land dwelling creature.

[trapperchick87]

its Littlefoot from the Land Before Time...lmao!!!

[make-em-squeel]

you are probably right.... it looks like mokele mbembe is more of a land dwelling creature.

WTF did you say?

PEOPLE, CATS THAT ARE HUNTED WITH HOUNDS WHERE GAME CAMS ARE PRESENT ALL OVER THE TIME WOULD HAVE SHOWN THEMSELVES BY NOW...~!

I believe there are other animials not discovered, google what came to shore after the psunami... but not something that my curs would tree! There are black jaguars in south america, not in east Tx!! Quit believing a crappy eye witness report, or go put up a game cam and prove it!

[DWEST]

Heard of pleanty of sightings in central florida.  I bout got laughed out of huntin camp one time bringing it up.  I myself have never seen one...but know two guys personally who claim to have, and dont see why they would lie about it.  I know it sounds very scepticle(sp).  
One sighting was on a major toll road where others reported the same thing.
The other was down around keenensville many, many years ago.  Guy said they used to turn the dogs out on what ever they thought they could run/catch when they were younger.  Said they saw a HUGE black cat one night heading to a water hole, right in front of the truck, tried to turn the dogs out and they couldnt drag them out of the box.  Later they ran into a GW and told him about it.  He said the GW acted as if it was no nig deal, said it was rare, but "them black cats follow the coast around from mexico"...
Again its all hear say, but hell a lot of stuff is...

I've also been told there was no cats or bears in a WMA here close to the house, by the employees and biologists that worked there but had seen the evidence for my self.  The next year there was state trappers running hounds in there and they told us they were trying to dart cats...?

[coach]

or a better example would be an indigo snake?  I've never seen a wild indigo snake, but that would be up there among the top things I want to see.

No black bears in Carrizo?

I know there are plenty of indigo snakes. As far as black bears I have lived in Del Rio for 5yrs now and have seen 5 bears in town here. With Carrizo only being 90 miles away I would think it would be very possible. I don't think it's the black bear we know but probably the mexican black bear coming out of the mountains in mexico.

[wolfpen]

Yesterday, I spoke with someone that is highly respected, and his boss/mentor is a legend in some schools or areas.

He has seen black panthers.  He also saw one that had been trapped and two game wardens came to identify it.  They concluded it was a jaguar.


Like I said early my neighbor has a pic of one of his game camera, but he won't say what it is.  Plus many other respectable people have seen it, along many other folks and eye witness accounts in the same general area.

This is not even close to the same category as bigfoot for all the goofy naysayers that are jealous they didn't get any pudding.

[rgillham]

I live in southeastern Oklahoma (Broken Bow). One day I was eating lunch with a couple of our local game wardens and 2 federal wildlife guys. We were discussing mnt lions in our area of the state and one of the federal guys said that they were in the woods everyday and never had seen one and that they did not exist in our area. He even went on to say he was so sure of it that he would give them 100 bucks if they could even produce even the slightest evidence. Well this past year I got a pic of a juvenile mnt lion on one of my game cameras. I showed it to one of the local game wardens not realizing what a stir it would cause. Unfortunatly the federal guy had been transfered to Utah so I can not collect my money. haha  What I am getting at is just because someone has not seen them does not mean they dont exist. The federal guy felt he knew better than anybody claiming to have seen one and dismissed any claims as stupid.

[charles]

I consider myself a professional wildlife person, but I don't have a degree in biology or a government job that allows me to officially document a species verified range.  Historically, it is officially verified that jaguars ranged across the southern US.   Jaguars have been videoed and killed in southern New Mexico with increasing frequency. 

I didn't get a good enough look at what I saw last year to say what it was, and I was entirely sober.

Having a degree in biology or even a government job does not make you more knowledgeable than a person with more real time experience in the woods.  The fact of the matter is is that it makes you less knowledgeable, because you think you know what you do not know due to your piece of paper that means jack number 2.

I have schooled state employed biologist endlessly.  Latest was the one that did not know that there are two species of snapping turtle in east texas.  And they should have known especially because of the position that are employed in.

What any old timer, that was in the woods as a kid in the 1920s says is worth a hell of a lot more to me than some nut stain with a worthless piece of paper saying she is an official wildlife person.  Not saying that is you or anybody, but just saying.

There ain't no need to go getting all crazy with hating on wildlife biologists with "a worthless piece of paper." To me it means a lot. It doesn't make me any smarter than anyone else it just shows that I put the time and effort into getting it. Which now that I graduated makes me wonder why I put that much time into it, but that's another story. The reason I say that I don't think they exist down here in TEXAS is because I have never seen them, nor has any "Professional" that I know personally. I have heard of MANY people say that they MIGHT have seen one, just like your encounter with them. I just go off of the time I have spent on ranches all over south Texas, but I also go off of what well known cat specialists (people that have spent their ENTIRE life studying cats) say. Like I said if I saw one I would be one the "those" people that everyone else thought was nuts, but I have to see it with my own eyes first. And I do agree there are A LOT of people that come out of school with the "know it all attitude." No one knows it all about anything, there are new things being learned everyday!!!

that piece of paper only means a person spent a lot of money and bought that paper, not earned it in most cases. you in paticular might have legitametly earned your degree, but nowdays that bought degree means a person can be in charge of people who actually know what they are doing.
 
now as for the black panthers in texas. i would agree that they are in east texas. i was raised in east tx and 1 night was walking to my dads house and heard a cat scream. put the headlight on, grabbed the 10ga. with a few extra shells and a .45 as back up. walked into the woods in the area where i heard the scream and saw a set of big yellow eyes. eased a lil closer, confirmed it was not a deer or our dog, could see its shape but not exactly what it was. i took aim and squeezed the trigger. when the smole cleared, i heard a scream from in the trees and looked up in a tree and there it was. no blood where i shot and no blood in the tree after the cat ran off. every now and then i hope to get a shot at it in the daytime.

[TexasLacy]

I've seen one too, hunted it myself.  It was in the area, had been seen and killed a horse two houses down my road.  One of my dogs took after it, and got killed for its troubles.  That is what put me in the hunt.  Spoke with game warded, and was told that you can hunt them any way, any time.  Never got him though...

[TinyTexasCowgirl]

Had a friend post this to his Facebook today. Won't trust a whole lot of people, but if this guy says it's legit, then I will trust him. Picture was taken with his Game Cam in Post Oak out by Fairfield TX


                                             
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[trapperchick87]

That is one BIG house cat   

[T-Bob Parker]

That's my wife's cat that I chucked out the window on 45 @ Teague while she was sleeping. Can't believe he survived!! Oh well, please don't let her see that pic, @ $4 a gallon per diesel, I ain't going back up there for that couch scratching lil daddy didn't marry mommy.

[sfboarbuster]

Had a friend post this to his Facebook today. Won't trust a whole lot of people, but if this guy says it's legit, then I will trust him. Picture was taken with his Game Cam in Post Oak out by Fairfield TX


                                             
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That pic has been goin around for a few years now...

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