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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2012, 01:39:10 pm » |
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7.62 x 25 mm is the pistoli i use. 169 bucks and has more penetration than pretty much any hand gun. i wouldnt want to shoot a little pig with it with dogs around but why would you need to....i bought three of them at this price and 1000 rounds for 99 bucks. if i loose one it wont make me cry unlike most hand guns.
X1000 Mine is a cz 52. Iv had it wet more times than I can count, I never clean or oil it, and I have never had it jam... It aint pretty, and it feels like a brick in my hand, but it always shoots
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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2012, 02:19:24 pm » |
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I carry a 357 mag but like a 30 carbine also. some other good ones are 41, 44, I love the shorter rifle version with an 16 inch barrel.
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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2012, 03:15:59 pm » |
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no fire arms for me just a good old fasion tooth pic
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2012, 03:27:51 pm » |
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7.62 x 25 mm is the pistoli i use. 169 bucks and has more penetration than pretty much any hand gun. i wouldnt want to shoot a little pig with it with dogs around but why would you need to....i bought three of them at this price and 1000 rounds for 99 bucks. if i loose one it wont make me cry unlike most hand guns.
X1000 Mine is a cz 52. Iv had it wet more times than I can count, I never clean or oil it, and I have never had it jam... It aint pretty, and it feels like a brick in my hand, but it always shoots That is the same pistol I have. I love it so far and it is by far the most true shooting semi auto I have shot to date. I would trade any other pistol i own for another one in a heart beat. If they can hold up to all the wars they have been in i think they can plug a hog too. great pistol for the money and the ballistics are almost the same as a .357 sig but just faster and flatter shooting. This is one of the only pistol rounds that requires a 5 layer kevlar vest if you look at the vest charts. and did i mention the price? LOL
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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2012, 03:51:59 pm » |
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It's not so much the pistol but the round itself. I hunted Alligators for 30 years. I experimented with all sorts of calibers and loads. One day I came across an article by Chuck Hawks on The Stopping Power of Hand Guns. He said and I quote " The famous Federal 125 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point Round, Federal part no. 357B is the most effective one shot stopper of All hand gun loads, not just the 357."
After reading the article I went an purchased a box and began shooting all gators with this round. It was especially impressive on the big gators ( gators larger than 9 ft.). One shot, that was it. No twitching, no moving, no waiting, no nothing. It was good night Irene on ALL of them. Now they were all on a gator line and shot at 3 to 5 yds. but this round has stopping power.
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"Pedigree indicates what the animal should be. Conformation indicates what the animal appears to be. But PERFORMANCE indicates what the animal actually is."
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2012, 07:05:09 pm » |
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i just got a rossi ranch hand in .357 and love it.
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2012, 10:43:05 pm » |
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I haven't met "that hog" yet and haven't carried a gun either but have been thinking about starting. I have had to shoot one only because I didn't have a big enough knife to get through his shield. Luckily I had a rifle on the 4 wheeler. They were caught in a creek and I was by myself. It could have been really bad.
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2012, 11:16:42 pm » |
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It's not so much the pistol but the round itself. I hunted Alligators for 30 years. I experimented with all sorts of calibers and loads. One day I came across an article by Chuck Hawks on The Stopping Power of Hand Guns. He said and I quote " The famous Federal 125 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point Round, Federal part no. 357B is the most effective one shot stopper of All hand gun loads, not just the 357."
After reading the article I went an purchased a box and began shooting all gators with this round. It was especially impressive on the big gators ( gators larger than 9 ft.). One shot, that was it. No twitching, no moving, no waiting, no nothing. It was good night Irene on ALL of them. Now they were all on a gator line and shot at 3 to 5 yds. but this round has stopping power.
Well if Chuck Hawk says it then it's a done deal. Lol. Actually I find it hard to disagree with his practical and experienced advice and opinions. That is one Internet guru that makes since to me. I've read his right ups on long range shooting and shotguns but I haven't seen anything on pistol and pistol rounds. If it's handy forward me the link. Thanks.
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jimco
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2012, 06:42:13 am » |
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Boar Ninja, I think this is the article. It was a long time ago that I read it and I wrote the info down in a note book. http://www.chuckhawks.com/beginners_stopping_power.htm
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"Pedigree indicates what the animal should be. Conformation indicates what the animal appears to be. But PERFORMANCE indicates what the animal actually is."
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Cutter Bay Kennels
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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2012, 07:22:38 am » |
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I carry a Glock 27, and did carry a Glock 23 for years. Personally, I like the 23 better. To me, anything 40 caliber or bigger is trustworthy to stop a hog. It's all about shot placement. The polymer style guns work great in the swamps, and they are super easy to clean when you decide to. I've swam ponds, came up the bank, and shot snakes with my Glock dripping. Never had it not fire. Just saying.
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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2012, 08:05:52 am » |
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Cutter, I have a stainless steel 357 revolver that has been dripping wet also and has never failed to fire. How ever I have only used it to shoot alligators out of a boat. Now that my son has started hog hunting I would like something more compact and lighter in weight. Every type of hunting we do is out of a boat in the swamps and marshes so it is a given it will get wet. I looked at a glock at a local store but it didn't fit my hand good. I need to find and go to a large gun shop to see if I can find a Glock model that fits good.
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"Pedigree indicates what the animal should be. Conformation indicates what the animal appears to be. But PERFORMANCE indicates what the animal actually is."
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2012, 09:16:49 am » |
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My biggest concern with large calibers is shooting through a hog and hitting a dog. I'll stay with my 22 Mag and solid bullets.
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Reuben
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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2012, 11:16:02 am » |
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My biggest concern with large calibers is shooting through a hog and hitting a dog. I'll stay with my 22 Mag and solid bullets.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2012, 11:22:59 am » |
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I love a 22mag. Keltec makes a pmr30 its 30 rounds of semi auto 22 mag....cant wait to get one!
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Reuben
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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2012, 12:26:31 pm » |
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good article on stopping power...this has been a big topic my brothers and I have discussed many times... this is how I see it for a most centerfire rifle.. More speed and weight contributes to more energy...If there is an exit wound then the deer, animal, or object did not absorb all the energy. if there is no exit wound then all that energy was absorbed which contributes to killing power and this had to of created quite a bit of damage but there must be penetration to consistently have killing power...penetration ensures that the vital organs have been penetrated and destroyed. there are other variables involved, but this is it in a nutshell... and it works best when the cartridge is matched to the game that is hunted... an exit wound is ok if the majority of the bullet has broken off in fragments as well as expanded as it travels through the cavity...the bullets entry, path thru the cavity, as well as the exit should resemble two funnels attached together with the small ends facing outward. on the 22 mag the only way to penetrate the skull on a big hog is to use solid bullets and penetration is what kills with this caliber when talking big hogs and not so much about expansion...it's a challenge but makes it a little more exciting...and the dogs are at a lower risk of getting shot as well and the gunfire noise is a lot less compared to that of a larger caliber hand gun... my 2 cents worth
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2012, 12:37:07 pm » |
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Cutter, I have a stainless steel 357 revolver that has been dripping wet also and has never failed to fire. How ever I have only used it to shoot alligators out of a boat. Now that my son has started hog hunting I would like something more compact and lighter in weight. Every type of hunting we do is out of a boat in the swamps and marshes so it is a given it will get wet. I looked at a glock at a local store but it didn't fit my hand good. I need to find and go to a large gun shop to see if I can find a Glock model that fits good.
Look at the Glock generation 4's. They come with different grips to fit a wider range of hand sizes. I also really like the Springfield XDM's. Try those out to see how they fit. Either brand will be a great addition to your arsenal.
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Silverton Boar Dogs
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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2012, 03:01:46 pm » |
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I always carry a pistol when hunting. Either a single action 22mag, or single action 45LC. If I am expecting to shoot bayed hogs I take the 22 mag loaded with solids. Very accurate and very effective for head shots. If I am hunting by myself and the gun is for protecting myself and my dogs I carry the 45LC loaded with 225 gr FTX lever evolution rounds.
I have shot quite a few big boars that were breaking a bay and running at me in a tight spot with the 45LC and I will never hesitate to shoot a boar to protect my dogs. Dog safety comes first for me.
I like the single action. It is dependable and the slower rate of fire cuts down on the possibility of spraying bullets at a hog and hitting a dog by accident.
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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2012, 04:20:53 pm » |
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Until I saw Silverton Boar Dogs reply I thought I was the only one carrying a .45 Colt. I generally use 250-270gr cast lead and have had good results but must try the FTX since it should be less apt to pass through. My hand loads are only < 900fps but have done the job every time I got into a tight spot and like the feel of the Colt clone in my hand. Low recoil and accurate. The highest powered round made is not magic and will only piss of an animal if you can not put the round where it does the best good. In other words if you don't practice regularly don't count on any specific caliber to work. John
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2012, 05:57:42 pm » |
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What's the deal with 22mag rds not penetrateing the skull of a big boar unless you use solids? I personally have taken many big hogs with a 17hmr with vmax ammo at 50+ yds with skull shots. No problems just dead pigs. I know a 17vmax is gonna expand way quicker than a 22mag with hollow or soft points.
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Reuben
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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2012, 06:28:16 pm » |
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I have shot plenty of hogs with solid 22 LR without a problem...I also used to hunt without a bulldog and when I swapped to a 22 mag I bought the cci in hollow point. I shot at a 200 pound boar at point blank range in the forehead and none penetrated...shot him 5 or 6 times and he flinched but didn't go down. I got right on him and shot at him and I saw where the hide was split and I could see the skull and I saw where the bullet turned downward and the split was at least 1.5 inches... I went home and checked all three types of cartidges offered for the 22 mag and the solid bullet penetrated the most by far. One well place bullet and the hog drops in his tracks...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog... A hunting dog is born not made...
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