All You Dog TRAINERS!!!

[geronimo]

ya alot of the hunters now days dont even feed there own dogs much less train them . they have hired hands take care of the dogs and the only time they see the dogs they are already loaded in the truck ready to go and they wonder why the dog wont work for them lol .it takes both genetics and training to make a real dog and a little bit of friendship between a man and the dogs he hunts JMO..............

i tend to think along the same lines as u. well said

[geronimo]

You can only get a knife as sharp as the quality of the blade material will allow. I don't care how good you are at sharpening one.

Working/hunting dogs and horses are the same in that regard. If they have right material to work with then you can sharpen them to a razors edge.


A good dog trainer can bring out the best in a dog but if the best in a dog is still "crap" then why bother? A good trainer will even tell you that!

good analogy

[Peachcreek]

You can only get a knife as sharp as the quality of the blade material will allow. I don't care how good you are at sharpening one.

Working/hunting dogs and horses are the same in that regard. If they have right material to work with then you can sharpen them to a razors edge.


A good dog trainer can bring out the best in a dog but if the best in a dog is still "crap" then why bother? A good trainer will even tell you that!

good analogy

I *LIKE* as well.... you are wise young ninja

[T-Bob Parker]

You can only get a knife as sharp as the quality of the blade material will allow. I don't care how good you are at sharpening one.

Working/hunting dogs and horses are the same in that regard. If they have right material to work with then you can sharpen them to a razors edge.


A good dog trainer can bring out the best in a dog but if the best in a dog is still "crap" then why bother? A good trainer will even tell you that!

good analogy

I *LIKE* as well.... you are wise young ninja

You don't live as long as methuselah over there without picking up a bit of wisdom!

[Peachcreek]

You can only get a knife as sharp as the quality of the blade material will allow. I don't care how good you are at sharpening one.

Working/hunting dogs and horses are the same in that regard. If they have right material to work with then you can sharpen them to a razors edge.


A good dog trainer can bring out the best in a dog but if the best in a dog is still "crap" then why bother? A good trainer will even tell you that!

good analogy

I *LIKE* as well.... you are wise young ninja

You don't live as long as methuselah over there without picking up a bit of wisdom!

Is that kinda like he didnt get that big being dumb?

[chainrated]

A good dog trainer can bring out the best in a dog but if the best in a dog is still "crap" then why bother? A good trainer will even tell you that!

Listen to the BoarNinja.

[hogaholicswife]

I believe it boils down to prey drive and how they are handled, but if they lack the prey drive no amount of handle in tthe world will bring it out of them....garbage in / garbage out is what my boss tells me.

I do, however, believe that there are some people in this world that can bring an animal (whether it be horse or dog) out of its shell and tap into 'hidden abilities' that others cannot touch....but then there are always those that nothing can help and mother nature would naturally cull had the animal been in the 'wild' and dependant upon its self.

[TexasHogDogs]

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[Reuben]

Listen to the BoarNinja. He is right on...

[Reuben]

Good post T.W. 

So what if the dog can't or we'll say hasn't found a hog, but will honor and bay up, and get down right gritty when the CD gets there? Do you all think that it is waisting time to keep bringing them if they don't strike the trail? and/or how long do you wait for em to "turn on"?

If I am raising a litter of pups I will keep the 4 or 5 I like best and slowly cull down to about 2 pups at 10 months old or so. Pups have to show me something at all stages...Its a line of progression and at 1 year the pup must be hunting and running a track and he might be a keeper but not one that qualifies as a breeder. at 1.5 years he should be a pretty good hog dog and some should be able to hang with a seasoned hog dog...when first starting a breeding program it is possible to cull the whole bunch...

another thing to remember is that not all breeds or strains of dogs within a breed for that matter mature at the same rate. So that has to be taken into consideration when talking breeding or culling...When I talk about breeding and culling I always use my past experience with the mtn curs I raised and hunted.

but to answer your questions I will say that you are talking about a pretty good "ME TOO DOG". Some dogs never progress past what you have described. But sometimes these dog fit in well in a pack because they may strengthen the pack by being able to stop the hog an helping the catch dog in catching a big boar...My goal would be to have every dog be a lead strike dog that can do it all except catch like a solid catch dog and a good me too dog would eventually get replaced...having said that a good me too dog is a valuable dog in most hog dog packs...

right now I don't have what I consider a good strike dog and I have the kennel space so I would own a good me too dog but like I said earlier...He will eventually get replaced as I aquire better dogs...

[treeingratterrier]

The Dog Trade is filled with people that are looking to buy good strike dogs...

You guys that say you can TRAIN any dog to be a hog dog should be making a killing right now!!! 

     

 

Just wondering, are you saying that somebody could not go thru about 5 large dog pounds and get about 10 or 15 tryees and build a hog dog pack and strike or bay and catch hogs???

I have never seen anybody here or anywhere claim they can train ANY dog to be a hog dog either???  Not all dogs make strike dogs either in the scene they are in either, lots of guys lose the start dog and wont move somebody up to take up the striking position, they let the main start dog do all of the starting and never switched the batting order so to speak so other dogs had chances to start strikinglol

Or are you saying nobody could go thru the lower end of the dog trade classifieds and buy or get free dogs and get a pack going out of cast offs or need to get rid of's?

I have known lots of guys who did exacty this, any dog that looked like it might run a hog or somebody claimed it would get loaded up and taken to a hog pen or sometimes even loaded up in dog box and turned out to see if it would honor a bay or even catch or start running with the pack after a while.

But you seem to imply that every dog for sale  on hereis a cull or untrainable and cant ever  be trained??

The problems vary with dogs in the dog trade, some rotteed on chain, some starved, some just nobody knows, some were shocked out, some where hunted by drunks who left them in the woods, some have been yelled at, some have been beaten, some were just surplus, some were out of room when somebody got divorced, laid off, drought hit etc etc and on and on, some owned by idiots just in general, dont forget the other biggie, the lack of hogs or places to hunt, and then u might actually run into somebody who likes to just get dogs going a bit and sell them for money, aka the dog traderlol  God bless the cliche' dog trainer who can train a dog most of the time but not all of the time and laugh all the way to the banklol  Dont forget to visit your local dog trader regularly, you might get to buy your own dog back that can now strike a hoglol

[blakebh]

I believe it boils down to prey drive and how they are handled, but if they lack the prey drive no amount of handle in tthe world will bring it out of them....garbage in / garbage out is what my boss tells me.

I do, however, believe that there are some people in this world that can bring an animal (whether it be horse or dog) out of its shell and tap into 'hidden abilities' that others cannot touch....but then there are always those that nothing can help and mother nature would naturally cull had the animal been in the 'wild' and dependant upon its self.

X2 Couldnt agree more! Also a classic example of the process of natural selection.

[adamp]

I don't even see a need to send them for trash breaking. With the money you're spending why not buy a shock collar?

Something an old man told me...he's never led me wrong


T-trash break
R-reinforce good behavior
A-accept the dog for what he is
I-interact with the dog
N-nutrition
E-exercise
R-repeat

[t.wilbanks]

Just wondering, are you saying that somebody could not go thru about 5 large dog pounds and get about 10 or 15 tryees and build a hog dog pack and strike or bay and catch hogs???

     Hmmmm, I re-read my post several times and dont see anything in there about going to the pound to get dogs..  I think you need to read several of the other post on this thread and you may get more of an idea of what we are talking about..   

I have never seen anybody here or anywhere claim they can train ANY dog to be a hog dog either???

Well sir, there is a very lengthy thread called " Training vs Genetics " were SEVERAL people claimed they could train a sure enough cull to be a strikedog.... You can use the search engine to find it..

Or are you saying nobody could go thru the lower end of the dog trade classifieds and buy or get free dogs and get a pack going out of cast offs or need to get rid of's?

Once you read the  " Training vs Genetics " , you will have a better understanding of my post, and realize it has nothing to do with anyone buying dogs from the Dog Trade, It was just to get a laugh and kind of prove a point..

But you seem to imply that every dog for sale  on hereis a cull or untrainable and cant ever  be trained??

I dont know where you come up with some of your replies...  Where did I say ANYTHING about the dogs that are for sale on the Dog Trade, or that they cant be trained??        

[USHOG]

It is not that any dog can not be trained it is that most people do not have the time nor the money or the know how to do it.
If a dog has good prey drive everything falls into line over time. if the prey drive lacks you can use several other methods to give it a jump start, but these methods are lengthy and costly and in my opinion unless the dog is your best friend that isnt going anywhere for any reason I would not spend the money it would take to get this dog to hunt. + there is no garentee after all of the time and energy put into the dog that the dog will hunt like you want. he will be much better than when he started but that is not always what we want. It is much cheaper and much less time to start out with a dog that has a good prey drive.

As for ranging out this is a simple proccess that works, but I do warn you be very carefull of what you wish for.
Everyone wants a long range dog or thats what they say until they get one.

[BarrNinja]

ya alot of the hunters now days dont even feed there own dogs much less train them . they have hired hands take care of the dogs and the only time they see the dogs they are already loaded in the truck ready to go and they wonder why the dog wont work for them lol .it takes both genetics and training to make a real dog and a little bit of friendship between a man and the dogs he hunts JMO..............

A lot of hunters? Really? I agree with what you are saying but I know a lot of hog hunters. I don't know any that use hired hands to feed and train their dogs. Must be nice! Lol

I'd settle for someone just taking care of the dog crap for me! 

[USHOG]

I agree BoarNinja it is wild. I have several clients that I board their dogs and work with their dogs everyday and they will come and pick up their dogs for a hunt and then the dogs are back here for a week or two or three until their next hunt. It works out for us both.

[BarrNinja]

Must be a new breed of hog hunter in town. I know of some old timers that did it but I doubt they were left wondering about why a dog was not hunting.

Just about every racehorse owner out there has a trainer and a barn hand or two. Wish I had the money for a poop hand! My old one lives out of town now and in his Sophomore year of college. 

[uglydog]

I don't even see a need to send them for trash breaking. With the money you're spending why not buy a shock collar?

Something an old man told me...he's never led me wrong


T-trash break
R-reinforce good behavior
A-accept the dog for what he is
I-interact with the dog
N-nutrition
E-exercise
R-repeat

Seriously? WOW

[H.Wilson]

The way I see it is your dog will never live up to your standards if you have someone else doing the dirty work I spend tons of Time with my dogs from pups till what I would call finished and I don't have many that don't turn out