DAVID THOMS DOGS

[Lance]

    I TALKED TO DAVID THOMS THIS MORNING ABOUT GETTING A COUPLE PUPS FROM HIM. VERY NICE MAN. I DONT THINK IVE EVER MET ANYBODY THAT LOVES TO TALK DOGS MORE THAN HIM ! I WAS JUST WONDERING, BEFORE I PAY THAT MUCH FOR PUPS IF ANY OF YOU HAD ANY OF HIS DOGS AND WHAT YOUR HONEST OPINION OF THEM IS ? I KNOW THEIR GOOD DOGS BUT ITS HARD TO PAY THAT FOR PUPS WITH OUT SOME FEED BACK. THANKS.

[Circle C]

Use the search function on ETHD and type in Thoms

Plenty of reading. 

[Lance]

 THANKS

[grittydog]

Here are a couple of links to the Foundation dogs. Mr Thoms does like to talk dogs, make sure you have a little time when you make the call..

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=11250.0
http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=43897.0

[T-Bob Parker]

I will say only this, I have one Thoms dog and Two dogs from a respected dogman with a closed yard who doesn't sell. I talk to this dogman at LEAST twice a month while the last time I heard from Mr Thoms was as I left his south texas driveway. he is a real nice guy and I had a good time at his shop, but he is a busy man who moves a lot of dogs. The one from him ain't bad but average at best. You can get a good dog from him and many people have, while the other east Texas strains are hard to come by.  If you want to start a pack and don't know many folks who hunt, those yellows maybe a good option for you.

[Hog_Hunter_57]

All i can say is his written guarantee is not worh the paper it was written on. All i can say is lawyers had to get involved.

[jerryg]

All i can say is his written guarantee is not worh the paper it was written on. All i can say is lawyers had to get involved.

This!

[MAV]

iam sure he has and sells some nice dogs but mine did not work out. buying just one pup from anybody you are gambeling that the dog will turn out any good thats just part of it. pays your money and take your chances

[Randy_P]

I bought 2....  Both would not bay/catch/sniff a hog AT ALL.  Not saying these same dogs wouldnt burn a cows ass up. I just never tried them on cows. My intention was hog hunting.  Got the guarantee. Kept in contact with Mr Thoms until the pups were a yr old.  When I told him I would like to get a couple new ones and bring these back he flipped and said I didnt let them "chase butterflys" enough. Said I didnt feed them the right dog food and that was the reason they werent working.  Blamed me for the dogs not working.  I know TexasJ buddy has a real good dog from Mr. Thoms.  he also had one he took back which Mr. Thoms didnt like very much. ( I know this because i was standing with Thoms when the dog was brought back)  I am in no way saying Thoms is a bad guy,  I enjoyed talking with him over the course of a yr.   FYI. I was the one who had to hire a lawyer in order to make Mr. Thoms honor what HIS guaranteed contract said.
 There are many other guys that say Thoms dogs are the best COWdogs they have ever seen, which I have no doubt they were, but this is mainly what they have been used/bred for. 

[Lance]

 IVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS AND GOT A GOOD PACK. BUT I NEED TO INTRODUCE SOME NEW BLOOD TO MY LINE . I DONT LIKE TO HAVE TO MANY PUPS AT ONCE OR THEY DONT GET HUNTED ENOUGH BECAUSE I ONLY TAKE ONE OR TWO PUPS HUNTING AT A TIME. ANY MORE THAN THAT AND ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS PLAY OR RUN TRASH. THE THREE PUPS IVE TRIED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS DIDNT WORK OUT. MY GOOD DOGS ARE STARTING TO GET OLD NOW AND I WAS WANTING TO CROSS SOME PROVEN BLOOD ON THEM.  THANKS FOR YALLS REPLIES.

[gomer]

My buddy bought 5 from David to use on cattle 3 were started and 2 were just pups.  They all ended up being decent cowdogs but one of the pups took forever before it started working.  I have a daughter of Wrights Red Wasp which was bred by David Thoms that I am starting on cattle that is starting to work. 

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

but he is a busy man who moves a lot of dogs, while the other east Texas strains are hard to get.

Sound like a great qoute to base a good decision on. 

[treeingratterrier]

but he is a busy man who moves a lot of dogs, while the other east Texas strains are hard to get.

Sound like a great qoute to base a good decision on. 

 

Ask yourself is he a hogdog hunter or not yes or not??

Ask yourself does he have videos of him shooting a hog behind his own hogdog pack personally yes or no?

Ask yourself if he can take you hunting with any started hog dogs himself and shoot hogs?

Ask yourself where are the pictures of the hogs he has hunted himself with his own dogs??

Ask his how many hogs has he shot a year with his own personal hog dog pack?


Personaly i would beat out the woods and find somebody in east texas who has a small kennel who regualry hunts shoots and breed there own dogs and can tell and show you the dogs in the woods not in some kennels with hired hands.  He is in one of the best locations in texas and should have tons of hog hunting land, he runs 500 to 1000 cows on leased property full of hogs....

[Tomball Dogos]

I have three pups out of his line of dogs two of the gyps are only 7 months old and are hunting and baying there asses off and my male pup is only 2 months old and is already show alot of interest but that all being said I put alot of time into working these pups and I try and keep it fun for them jmo

[Miller Lite]

I like mine but he is a little werid idk if its cause how tight bred they are or whatever but he is by far the weridest cur dog i've ever owned he was going to be culled but one day i guess he thought it was time to start finding hogs an now he finds one every time i turn him loose

[PaPaDaVe]

I'll say this for the fellas who always  chime in on the  the guy who asks this same question on wright's, or thom's dogs.   yall sure can steer the wagon when yall are riding the mule in the back. what they tell you is there are these guys that breed better dogs but they have closed kennels. You have to try and find them first, then if you are lucky enuff to do so, he may shoot ya if you show up at his kennel trying to buy a pup, and if he don't shoot ya you will need to scoop dog crap, and water and feed dogs, follow him to the woods and kiss most of his dogs butts before he will even think about letting your greatgrand son buy a pup from him in the year 2099.  But don't you dare buy from them big time dog peddlers. Now if this guy takes a likeing to you he will give you a pup, but fat chance of that happening. And if he does give you a pup  then what, am I gonna run it with so called lesser or bad dogs. I do understand that all of these breeders of great strains of hog dogs are not gonna give away their 30 or so years of breeding experience to us newbies, but like I said before I do not think we should have to take all the dam  culls, and or crap dogs and waste our time and money on that crap. I have been very quiet for a while and have been reading and listening to all the breeding talks, and styles of dogs, and breed types, and cross types, I have even tried to get some pups. I have even looked at and talked to some of the guys that have ooopppps breedings. I have decided to just hold off for another 6 months to a year, try to make a friend or so on this site, and maybe try to work my way into getting to follow on a few hunts. But after I post this statment I may become black balled by all the good ones, but so be it. I ask this question one more time "If these great breeders do not want to be found, or they do not want to sell their blood lines then what ?" We have to start somewhere, If we buy bad blooded dogs then who will want to hunt with us, only the guys with the bad dogs, surely not any of you so called good ones. Would it not be better for the good ones to understand if they want this great sport to live on then make sure that this new person is a hog dogger for sure number one, then make sure he is dedicated to the health and care of dogs, and that he is gonna respect the land owners and the law, and then help him along in some way or fashion. I am not saying we should walk in and you give us the keys, we need to prove ourselves just as I stated above. But I sure am tired of hearing alot of this you can't get them good ones cause you ain't one of us. But don't go elsewhere and spend your money on dem pappered up dogs cause they ain't worth a crap. For some of you, NOT ALL, I wish you'd make up your dad blame minds. You either love this sport enough to pass it on or you love it just enough to keep it to youself. This is just my opinion and yep it stinks too, and I have not proven myself enough to be considered good enough to lead anyones dogs....... YET.

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

An idea to facilitate the problem stated.  Is start with the best you can get your hands on and make the improvements yourself to bring them up to what ever standard you desire.


It can definitely be done with breeding, training, and a ton of hunting.

Most of the folks I know that have the closed kennels are not looking for so called " kissing their dogs behinds"  they could truthfully care less if anybody likes or dislike their dogs. They breed for working and are not in the sport for financial gain.
As you stated you have to put in your time with some of these guys to attempt to get a pup. Most not even then...but it's their right to make that call due to it being their hard work and time spent going into the dogs that they started with and built up.

If everyone had great dogs then nobody would have anything special.

Nobody likes to hear "just do it yourself" or "Cull Hard"   and those are the two main tools to get what you want.

This is completely my opinion and ain't worth the screen space to type it but plenty of great dog men out there that dont deserve that kind of bitterness.

As far as the sport continuing. "THEY COME AND THEY GO"   If you gotta beg somebody to stay, they are probably in it for the wrong reasons.

I hope you find what you looking for sir along with everyone else that wants it bad enough to overlook the gotta have it now syndrome or I can buy a perfect dog mind set.
 
Good luck.   

[bayed hard hog dogs]

Wooooowwww getting hot in here, um if anyone has closed kennel's most of the time its because at one time thay probably did sell some pups to people that just put them In a pen or on the Chan for 2 yrs never letting them off or working them and then one day thay decided thay was gonna go hog hunting and the dog just walked with them and the next thing you no the guy is running his head about how sorry your dogs are and ruining your name. I completely understand the reason people don't sell dogs. Hope that all works out for you papa hope you can find you some dogs. Myself I kind of like the idea of keeping the hog hunting to my self seems like all the TV crap on hog dogging has got everyone thinking there hog hunters.

[PaPaDaVe]

Can not see the begging in my statment, however it's in how it is received. My statment is not a bitter one as you have mistaken it for. It is not even about those good breeders. It's about the same ones who chime in with the same old same old You ain't one of us, so you must have an angle. These are the same ones that probably are not those good breeders. I am not some young pup who wants it all now and my way, I am an older man who sees things in a different fashion. I am not a hog dogger yet, but I am not new to the world of hunting dogs either. I do understand paying my dues, and I will. However I do see a difference in this dog sport than others I have experienced(and I do not wish to change it) and It is in the attitude. I read an artical by a member who said in so many words that he had become an A$$ Hole because of this sport. It was in the area of trying to protect his hunting lands, and his strain of dogs. And he has every right to do so. Now from some of the other posts that followed his a few others agreed that they understood this, and could see it in themselves also. There are good guys, and bad guys in this sport, like in all other sports also. I am not begging, and I don't want the quick fix number one dog right now, but I do want as good a dog as I can afford(as you said) and work from there. I also do not think it's anyones place to tell someone you may be in it for the wrong reason,  If you feel I was out of place , then you may also be there too. But no harm no foul on my part I do not take it to heart. If I have offended anyone well that was never my intention, but I stand by what I have written. If you read it again(and by no means do you have to) you will see it is written from the point of view of those who I spoke of before, the same old same old. Thank you for your reply.

[PaPaDaVe]

Wooooowwww getting hot in here, um if anyone has closed kennel's most of the time its because at one time thay probably did sell some pups to people that just put them In a pen or on the Chan for 2 yrs never letting them off or working them and then one day thay decided thay was gonna go hog hunting and the dog just walked with them and the next thing you no the guy is running his head about how sorry your dogs are and ruining your name. I completely understand the reason people don't sell dogs. Hope that all works out for you papa hope you can find you some dogs. Myself I kind of like the idea of keeping the hog hunting to my self seems like all the TV crap on hog dogging has got everyone thinking there hog hunters.

I like your post bayed hard, makes me understand I have a long way to go to even get started. I need to learn alot more so I will keep on reading, and every once in a while I too may chime in, and show just how much I DON'T KNOW.