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« on: March 09, 2012, 08:09:45 pm » |
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First things first...First, .I dont live in an area where there is a very high hog pupulation. I may have to drive for an hour or so before I find a good hog track. Second, I have more plotts than curs and I would consider myself a plottman before I would consider myself a cur man. Third, I've hunted all over the eastern US with some really good plott guys (much more knowledgable than me).
Coming from a plott guy....plotts are bread to be relativeley cold nosed hounds with A LOT of grit and A LOT of stick (aka bottom). They are not the fastest hound and they are not known for thier mouth. They are a rough breed of hound and runs to catch.
I've read a couple of post lately about plotts. One was about thier mouth and one was about them not being too rough. I guess what I am saying is, if you are not breeding or trying to get plotts that are rough and bred to catch, you are not getting a good plott..in my mind. I dont care what a plott sounds like or what they look like...they had better hunt and they better be set on catching a hog. If I wanted fast, I would get a Walker. If I wanted a mouth I would get a Bluetick. If I wanted cold nose I would go with a Black and Tan or Redbone. But, I want a dog that can do most of above and at the end of the trail, I want them to put thier mouth on the hog and catch him.
Every bloodline, is going to have some positives and negatives. But if you are not a plott guy and you are trying to breed or find a plott that is not rough and you are looking for a plott with speed or mouth, maybe you should consider looking at another hound or a hound cross.
Since this is a mostly cur dog site, I am sure there will be a bunch of curdog men that disagree, but if you were a plottman, you would know what i am saying and you would agree.
In my opinion, if a plott doesn't try to catch, he is a cull. He or she doesnt have to catch, but he better try to catch or he better have a moth full of hog hair when I get there!
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TexasLacy
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2012, 08:17:00 pm » |
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a good friend of mine has a plott/cur cross. Jam up dog, mostly closed, but opens on a hot hot track. He is plenty rough. A damn good dog to hunt behind.
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Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995
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Black Hog 69
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2012, 08:26:02 pm » |
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Ive got my main strike dog penned up with a plott thats coming in,she is real cold nosed ,closed mouth,she has been striking hogs 4 my buddy hoping to get some good pups out of them,neither one is gritty though
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D.R.Stuart
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2012, 10:02:08 pm » |
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Thanks for the opinion "Lord of the Plott". Thanks for grouping some of us that want to hear there plott dogs with those that don't want a gritty plott. I agree somewhat with your ALL KNOWING way of thinking. I don't care what breed of dog it is if I'm hunting it for hogs I want it to put teeth in them if they break bay or to shut them down and make them bay. "I don't want any hound that catches its prey. What would be the fun in that?"If I wanted something just to catch hogs with a poor mouth I would go by the local pound and pick up a pair of pittbulls and drop them on hogs. I want one that will run its game till it can stop it and make it bay or untill its heart stops beating. but since I'm a simple DOGMAN and not a bonified PLOTTMAN what do I know.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2012, 10:10:21 pm » |
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Most plotts I have owned and hunted with, know how to apply just enough pressure to keep an animal bayed, they know better than being suicidal or "too gritty" that they add so much pressure that the animal will not bay and keep running and rarely will you get a hound that is a coward and the animal will let keep running because the dog will not stop it.
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Mason
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2012, 10:22:06 pm » |
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Orval Roberts is a Plottman and it's been stated in other post that he breeds for speed but not for grit, so I don't think he would agree with you. I'm not saying you're wrong about your opinion on what a good Plott is, but I don't think it's any of your concern on what another mans preference is regarding HIS Plott dogs.
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tnhillbilly
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2012, 11:37:08 pm » |
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WOW!!!!  so......what line do you run? |
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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2012, 07:02:45 am » |
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Plott hound r great dogs
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hoghunter71409
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2012, 08:20:36 am » |
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DRStuart..I was just giving my opinion...never stated I was a know it all. I bet you have opened your trap on here before and gave your opinion....did anyone bash you back? I am just saying that if your into plotts just for thier mouth...u in it for the wrong reason. But you let all of your stupididty out when you said ""I don't want any hound that catches its prey. What would be the fun in that?"...What the heck kind of comment is that? You wearing a skirt? Thats becuase you aint a hound guy and you obviously dont have a dang clue what u are talkn about. I've never met a hog hunter that did't want his hound to catch prey....you just want to look at the prey??? Plotts were bred to catch game. There are a lot of people out there watering down the breed that was meant to catch. Dont come on here and call me a hound god for giving my opinion and try to embarass me....
Mason, Orval is a Plottman...much more that I for sure. I dont own Orvals dogs becuase I think there are hunters that have exactly what I am looking for. I need a pack with grit (not neccessarily suicidal), but I want a plott that is rough, that is how they were bred and brought to the US. It is my concern when I see guys out there breeding plotts for mouth and not for grit....it's my concern becuase they are watering down the breed.
TNHILL...I have CAJUN plotts, one from Mr. Burkett, and a pup from Jason Brickford. My Cajun plotts and my Burkett plott all have decent speed, good noses, medium size, will to hunt, and want to catch.
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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2012, 08:26:54 am » |
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I know someone who ran lots of plotts in his younger days and he caught lots of hogs and he said the best plotts for him were Orval Roberts bred...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2012, 10:10:25 am » |
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I believe its all in what the hunter wants just because everyone doesnt like the dog the way you do doesnt make it wrong or not a good plott dog. I have 2 silent plotts neither dog is gritty and i would not want them to be. Ive spoke to orval a few times about dogs and in my eyes i think id take what he is doing over your thoughts no disrespect but if its ok with him pretty sure most would be ok with it lmao
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2012, 10:29:20 am » |
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Is that Mr. Burkett from Lydia Tx
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hoghunter71409
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2012, 11:26:04 am » |
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EastTXoutlaw..You are right, everyone has an opinion and they have what works for them. My opinion, which I have a right to, is posted in my first post. There are others besides Mr Roberts that have been at this a while too...I know plenty of them that will take grit over speed. Including me...
I'm not trying tp push my opinion on anybody, I am just stating my opinion. People can agree or disagree.
Black hog 69, I believe so, the dog is out of White Deer Preserve. I actually bough the dog from a guy on here (TomTom). Brought him home and put him in a pen at 8 months old. He ran right up to the hog and tried catching him on the face. The hog slung him down and beat up on the dog for a second and then he ran. The 8 month old pup got right up and ran after the hog. The hog stopped and bayed, pup tried catching again, when the hog broke and ran and pup grabbed his nuts and made him turn around. He then went to baying. that was the first and last time in the bay pen. I put him opn 10-12 hogs in the woods since then, and he ran ran or bayed everyone one of them since. He is 11 months old, full of grit and bottom. Very good mouth, medium speed....but he is only 11 months.
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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2012, 12:59:56 pm » |
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well i ain't gettin in this one i've only been runnin behind hounds for 50 years . what would i know ? exceptin i really don't want my hounds and plott curs tryin to catch a hog when i'm not close enough to get to um quickly . or my walkers or my cross dogs or my full curs . some do yeah but they don't last long round here . breed and hunt what suits ya . |
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Black Hog 69
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2012, 01:11:16 pm » |
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Thats the way I feel about it also halfbreed,dont want my find dog trying to catch I got other help dogs 4 that plus a bulldoggggg!!
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2012, 01:36:00 pm » |
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tnhillbilly
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2012, 07:22:25 pm » |
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well i ain't gettin in this one i've only been runnin behind hounds for 50 years . what would i know ? exceptin i really don't want my hounds and plott curs tryin to catch a hog when i'm not close enough to get to um quickly . or my walkers or my cross dogs or my full curs . some do yeah but they don't last long round here . breed and hunt what suits ya .  im trying, so far, so good.  |
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2012, 07:30:18 pm » |
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well i ain't gettin in this one i've only been runnin behind hounds for 50 years . what would i know ? exceptin i really don't want my hounds and plott curs tryin to catch a hog when i'm not close enough to get to um quickly . or my walkers or my cross dogs or my full curs . some do yeah but they don't last long round here . breed and hunt what suits ya . im trying, so far, so good. LMAO |
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2012, 10:02:18 pm » |
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I want my good dogs to stand back and bay, I dont mind them stopping a runner but then I want them to get back. I've got to much time invested in them and good strike dogs are too hard to replace.
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D.R.Stuart
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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2012, 11:12:03 am » |
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DRStuart..I was just giving my opinion...never stated I was a know it all. I bet you have opened your trap on here before and gave your opinion....did anyone bash you back? I am just saying that if your into plotts just for thier mouth...u in it for the wrong reason. But you let all of your stupididty out when you said ""I don't want any hound that catches its prey. What would be the fun in that?"...What the heck kind of comment is that? You wearing a skirt? Thats becuase you aint a hound guy and you obviously dont have a dang clue what u are talkn about. I've never met a hog hunter that did't want his hound to catch prey....you just want to look at the prey??? Plotts were bred to catch game. There are a lot of people out there watering down the breed that was meant to catch. Dont come on here and call me a hound god for giving my opinion and try to embarass me....
Mason, Orval is a Plottman...much more that I for sure. I dont own Orvals dogs becuase I think there are hunters that have exactly what I am looking for. I need a pack with grit (not neccessarily suicidal), but I want a plott that is rough, that is how they were bred and brought to the US. It is my concern when I see guys out there breeding plotts for mouth and not for grit....it's my concern becuase they are watering down the breed.
TNHILL...I have CAJUN plotts, one from Mr. Burkett, and a pup from Jason Brickford. My Cajun plotts and my Burkett plott all have decent speed, good noses, medium size, will to hunt, and want to catch.
First of all I have never opened my mouth on here and gotten bashed. Secondly I was raised to think before you speak. I never said I was into plotts for thier mouth. I simply was asking what lines had better mouths when you decided to call me out on that. You Sir have embarassed yourself by stating if your breeding for mouth your watering down the breed. LMAO. I hope that was a joke because any breeder worth his salt will tell you that breeding for certain traits doesn't mean you have to let any other quality traits go. You simply have to line breed and cull hard. Again I stand behind my statement of not wanting my hounds to catch there prey. If you actually had a clue you would know that Hounds were bred for there Locating and Tracking ability. I'm gonna take the skirt comment as a reference to my Scottish Heritage. You once again are mistaken by claiming I don't have a clue and am not a hound guy. I sir am 31 years old and have been hunting behind some of the best Walker and English Coonhounds in Arkansas since I was 5 years old. So do the math plottman I'am a HOUNDMAN, and you don't have a clue. You need to reread the history of the Plott dog I don't recall anywhere stating they were bred to catch game. On that tip you need to read a couple dog breeding and genetic books before you continue to open mouth and insert foot. I believe most real Plottmen on this site or any other would disagree with your Idea of a good Plott. Don't believe the majority of your big game plott guys want there valuable strike and bay dogs catching there game ie. Mountain lion, Bear, and Boar. I have a suspision most want there dogs to apply enough pressure to get the job done no more and not an ounce less. And yes sir I want to just look at my prey until I send a catchdog or a bullet. Hunt what you like...Denny |
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