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« on: March 25, 2012, 09:24:14 pm » |
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How long should I give my bay dogs??? They have been in bay pens and did great but today was there first time in the woods and they lost two but bayed one up and it was sloppy... I've never trained a bay dog so please give me some advise....
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andersoncountydogger
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 09:28:18 pm » |
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I've never started a pup in the pen put them in the woods and show them hogs and be patient
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YELLOWBLACKMASK
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2012, 09:30:29 pm » |
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Give a lil more detail bud about the dogs being sloppy on bay. Were there more dogs in the bay..was it a mock hunt or real deal..did they find the hog ect....?
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Crossstock
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 10:17:56 pm » |
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It was a mock hunt...the one they bayed up kept getting away and they almost lost it to...we had three hogs today and only came back with one...they just didn't hunt the way I though they would... Need some good advise....
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Hog_Hunter_57
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 10:27:41 pm » |
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How old are they? Did they have any other dogs with them?
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Crossstock
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2012, 06:12:06 am » |
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They just turned 1 year this month...don't get me wrong all four of them get after pigs...and we don't have any dogs to run with them to help teach them....was thinking about hobbling some hogs and letting them find and bay them....or should we just keep turning hogs loose and see if they get better... My ? Is how would you go about it....
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Corey
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 06:50:37 am » |
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Put em in the woods, they need to learn to work for it. I think if you keep giving it to them they think thats how its supposed to be. JMO
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YELLOWBLACKMASK
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 07:20:00 am » |
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Put a harness on your pig or tie a board behind it to get tangled up. Spray your feet with scent killer and lay the drag. Hide the hog at the end and come out a different direction than you came in. Walk your pups down the drag line and let them work it out. If they roll off the drag line sit tight until they come back to it and continue.
Let them do the finding until they run the entire drag line without help. Then begin laying them further and further until there isn't any question. Break it up across water, thickets, pasture, and double backs.
When they do it perfect go put em out on a corn feeder that you know has fresh sign and get after them with as much heavy hunting as you can. Also dont hunt em with an older dog that is a crap eater it usually regresses them.
Good luck.
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KerDog77
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 06:00:32 pm » |
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Just a suggestion, but you may want to use rope/ mule tape because I lost my trainer pig this weekend on a mock hunt using hobbles. I'm in your same shoes trying to get some young dogs turned on. Where I goofed was when I tried using too big of hobbles that would not stay sinched down. By the time I could run and get the dogs, the pig was gone and I had not had the chance to cast them down wind before it started raining. Good luck to ya.
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KevinN
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 06:29:44 pm » |
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Already been said but drag line works well, will get tangled eventually. Keep workin them, give them time.
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TexasLacy
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 06:42:29 pm » |
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It should take less than 7 months. I've seen 7 month old finished dogs for sale.
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Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995
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TexasLacy
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2012, 08:43:04 pm » |
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Maybe I don't need to say this, but just to be on the safe side...
I was 100% joking.
you may get them started and MAYBE, have them ranging out short range by 7 months, but IMHO, I think it takes a couple of years and lots and lots of hunts to "finish" a dog.
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Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
RAdm. "Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995
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texasgrit
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 11:12:23 pm » |
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I've never started a pup in the pen put them in the woods and show them hogs and be patient
X2 if you some one with good dogs, that you like go with them, no puppys. just your puppy |
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BIG BEN
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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2012, 09:11:01 am » |
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I believe anything under 3-4 years old in NOT a finished dog, for a dog to be "finished" they have to have some age and lots of hogs under them. Just because a pup under 2 can trail and bay his own hog does not mean it is finished. A finished dog is all about consistantancy, must find hogs consintantly, range out consistantly, have the bottom and "want to" to finish a track, not trash on other critters. When you are confident enough to drop your dog with some of the best finished dogs around you can start to think your dog is finished until then they are just "well started". JMO
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hunt em hard, give em no excuses, and cull harder!!!!!
"Rather have a sister in a whore house than spots on a dog"
"Pretty is as pretty does"- BigO
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easttexasoutlaw33
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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2012, 09:16:22 am » |
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Like i have heard alot say on here and i believe it as well they arent finished till they are dead!!!
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