kelly
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« on: April 02, 2012, 06:03:00 pm » |
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Hi guys,this is my first post.I have two dogs about size of english setters or so.They are very smart but not afraid of much. I'm worried they could have trouble with wolves.What kind of vest would give them the most freedom of movement while still protecting their vitals.They have thick hair like that of a summer huskyThis would be used in the cold of winter with lots of snow and ice.So, best vest for that and where to buy it. Thanks much! CVT
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 06:05:26 pm » |
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What kinda dogs are they?
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 06:36:36 pm » |
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The ugly dog devastator or really any of the full coverage products from the link below. Good luck. I have a feeling though the wolves will attack at the hind quarters and top back of neck.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2012, 06:59:38 pm » |
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The ugly dog devastator or really any of the full coverage products from the link below. Good luck. I have a feeling though the wolves will attack at the hind quarters and top back of neck.
x2 about hind quarters, top of neck, and head. |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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kelly
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2012, 07:21:01 pm » |
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The mother is a Laika and her pup is out of a Karelian Bear Dog.The rely on speed to force game up a tree.They are not real big dogs , 35 maybe 40 pounds.I have been told they will avoid wolves but they have not avoided other dogs no matter the size.Thanks again guys!CVT
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Noah
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2012, 08:17:05 pm » |
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Shepherd dogs of the mountain region in Spain/the middle east still have to defend themselves from wolves... the Kangal dog traditionally wears a spiked collar to protect him from a fight with wolfs... Granted, these are specifically bred, Livestock Guardian Dogs(LGD's)... adults weighing 100-150+ pounds... dogs bred for nothing but fighting wolves for a long... LONG time... ... no offense... but if your dogs ever happen to bump into a wolf, I doubt a vest(or spiky collar) is gonna make a difference.  The Kangal... bad ass dog... have a few friends in Turkey that breed these... would love to have a couple some day...  Also look up Caucasian Ovtcharca...  |
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dub
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 09:58:33 pm » |
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Sorry but a vest won't do squat for a wolf. They are designed to protect against hogs not wolves. Wolves do not have tusks and do not attack from the ground up. If your dogs are starting trouble with wolves they will get some trouble. I have seen wolves in the wild and they were not scared of me at all but they did not come after me either. They are not mindless killing machines. If for some reason they decide to attack your dogs there is not much you can do short of shooting. I had one wolf come towards me and when I pulled out a gun he adjusted his path. He did not run but clearly knew what a gun was. So be glad people are hunting them to put the fear of people back into them. Maybe a cut collar and or one of those Aussie style plates for the front. If the dogs are big they will go for the neck and the rear like what was said. If they are small they bite the spine. The only sure fire way to keep them safe is to keep them inside with you. I would be more worried about cars. Cars get more dogs than anything.
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"...A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself..." John Stuart Mill
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2012, 03:28:10 pm » |
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I would think a standard cut collar might protect the neck but I agree. I doubt there is much else you can do.
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Reuben
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2012, 03:32:25 pm » |
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from all the reading I have done, wolves love to kill dogs...not talking about the 65 pound wolves in texas...I am talking about the 100 to 150 pounders up in the northern states...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2012, 04:05:30 pm » |
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from all the reading I have done, wolves love to kill dogs...not talking about the 65 pound wolves in texas...I am talking about the 100 to 150 pounders up in the northern states...
I guess you think I have not been out of Texas. I am saying there aint much you can do to protect a dog from a wolf if he desides to kill your dog unless you shoot the wolf. If they get a hold of your dog it will be dead fast. Wolves kill to eat so they are good at it. The domestic dog might be the baddest dog around but does not kill to eat every meal. It is not a fair fight. Any vest you put on the dog will not matter because also wolves work together. When there is one there is a few more or there will be with a only a bark. I just about messed my pants when I saw my first wolf and he was not coming for me. He walked by me to get a drink of water and then walked right back by without even one worry about me. I don't think a wolf has any fear of any domestic dog at all. I am sure if a dog crossed the wrong line a wolf would kill it. So either leave the dog at home or take a chance there just is not much you can do about it. Thank all those people that wanted to protect the wolf and bring it back  People worked hard to make this land safe and boo hoo liberals are undoing everything. |
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"...A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself..." John Stuart Mill
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 04:17:26 pm » |
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from all the reading I have done, wolves love to kill dogs...not talking about the 65 pound wolves in texas...I am talking about the 100 to 150 pounders up in the northern states...
I guess you think I have not been out of Texas. I am saying there aint much you can do to protect a dog from a wolf if he desides to kill your dog unless you shoot the wolf. If they get a hold of your dog it will be dead fast. Wolves kill to eat so they are good at it. The domestic dog might be the baddest dog around but does not kill to eat every meal. It is not a fair fight. Any vest you put on the dog will not matter because also wolves work together. When there is one there is a few more or there will be with a only a bark. I just about messed my pants when I saw my first wolf and he was not coming for me. He walked by me to get a drink of water and then walked right back by without even one worry about me. I don't think a wolf has any fear of any domestic dog at all. I am sure if a dog crossed the wrong line a wolf would kill it. So either leave the dog at home or take a chance there just is not much you can do about it. Thank all those people that wanted to protect the wolf and bring it back People worked hard to make this land safe and boo hoo liberals are undoing everything. hey Dub...was not implying anything on what you stated...and I totally agree with what you said about the liberals/anti's...the wolves up north were introduced back in the states and they are killing all the moose elk and deer and anything else they can catch...they are at the top of the food chain because they operate in packs...lots of income is lost due to hunters not hunting because of lower elk/moose populations etc. etc...I remember seeing hunting shows in the 1960's when they used to shoot them out of planes and helicopters...I don't mind the idea of having a few wolf packs but they must be managed like other game animals... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2012, 08:29:41 pm » |
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That website had some crazy stories. Y'all should check em out.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2012, 08:42:49 pm » |
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Very cool link Koyote...
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kelly
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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2012, 08:56:59 pm » |
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Thanks so much you guys!! Maybe a vest is not the way to go with my dogs.Wolves are born and trained killers.Just this winter i sent two beagles up to Drummond Island with some guys to run hare. The young male got separated from the pack and wolves came in and killed him. I can't even think of that happening to my tree dogs but they live to hunt so I probably will take them up there.With the wolves off the endangered species list you have a much easier time protecting life and property so maybe they will begin to fear man more.Thanks again and if I ever get the chance to come to Texas maybe I could look one of you up to take me hog hunting,sounds like fun.Hey Ted Nugent moved down there from Michigan so maybes theres something to it!CVT
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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2012, 10:15:13 pm » |
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damn right theres something to it, its TEXAS!
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Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean. They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've got really short hair and they always go for the throat.
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2012, 10:21:34 pm » |
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If I was gonna hunt with dogs in wold country I'd do a little recon with a .243 improved and a distress call to evaluate the pack size, from a tree stand ofcourse . When I went home I'd leave a a little present behind to munch on like we do yotes here JMO P.S. there is a reason why we killed so many back in the day and it wasn't cause pioneers had nothing else to do |
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2012, 11:02:35 pm » |
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If I was gonna hunt with dogs in wold country I'd do a little recon with a .243 improved and a distress call to evaluate the pack size, from a tree stand ofcourse . When I went home I'd leave a a little present behind to munch on like we do yotes here JMO P.S. there is a reason why we killed so many back in the day and it wasn't cause pioneers had nothing else to do You ain't lying. Bears and cougars too. Protect them and now they are eating people again. |
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2012, 06:49:33 am » |
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My aunt just had her lab pup killed by wolves in her front yard, in Minnesota.
40-60lb dog doesn't have much of a chance if a wolf grabs it.
I lived in northern minn. for a few years, found wolf tracks in my front yard after a heavy snow, many mornings - owned a Norwegian elk hound and a half wolf dog, never had any problems with wolves and my dogs
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