Having to good of a handle on cd???????

[okboarhunter]

I recently got beefy my big pit pup and have been wrkin with him alot, hes very smart already follows most my commands, when i say load up he will try to crawl inside truck with me (in cab). I know this may b a dumb ? but i was just curious if i can train him to b a home protection dog mayb even special classes n still use him as a cd? I really like to get in close with a bulldog n make best friends, the last one i had i let everyone pet him n friends ended up robbin my house simply cause they knew him, this pup only two buddies and my close family can pet.

Any comments will help

        Thx, Dustin

[UNDERDOG]

n friends ended up robbin my house

Friends don't rob your house....  

Yes it could be done but teaching bullbreeds to bite humans is a big responsibillity and to do it RIGHT you would have to train more than hog hunt.

Get a guard type dog and let your catch dog be a catch dog.

[okboarhunter]

I get what ur saying

[UNDERDOG]

I get what ur saying

Cool cause I wasn't tryin to bust your balz or nothing but it is what it is...I trained PP/sport dogs for a good while years back and still deal with many who do and to really do justice to you and the dog it takes alot of time and comitment. Bullbreeds bring bite work to a whole new level as well and level of responsibility.

[UNDERDOG]

Look at the focus in this dog when he is heeling...the bites on the bite wedge are just a reward for his obedience. Thid dog is a littermate to my Shiner dog RIP and a half bro to my Goblin pup....wish he was here catching hogs haha..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioJpQLBNnto

[Corey]

I have to agree, bite work training would leave little time to hunt.

Having a good handle on a bulldog usually starts when you take it off momma, discipline, structure, and bonding with the family. I had red nose gyp before I got into hog hunting that look to me for permission before responding to my terriers on a coon or what ever it was they found. It really pretty nice to walk through the woods with a bulldog next to you with no lead and have them actually look up at you for your blessing, then be able to call them out by name. Wish I had one like her now lol.

[dub]

I worked guard dogs and most of it is natural. Dogs are teritorial by nature. For home protection you do not need to train them. You train guard dogs you take to other places. Once trained to be a guard you have a liability on your hands. Most training is so they control a person and hold them. My dogs I let protect my house now have had zero guard dog training they are catch dogs.

[okboarhunter]

i guess i shouldve put it better obience trainin like a few classes not the full blown cop course type stuff n yes he is very protective anyone walks up to the house or kid he bows up no aggresive just more like hey what the hell u doin. 


Also i know itll b nice to walk side by side with my bulldog no leash at all because ive been the cd leader with some pullers n it suck, i just didnt know if i could make him so obiedent n no animal aggresion that he wouldnt catch a hog

[dub]

Obediance does not affect aggressiveness just can you stop your dog. I don't like any dog to pull on a lead. As far as walking beside you without a lead that would be almost a RCD. But you can teach your dog manners and not mess them up. I would only do basic obedience.

[UNDERDOG]

Obedience is always a plus with catch dogs...I am very guilty of not putting enough in mine myself and just let it come by time in the woods but it does come with some pains for me and dog both.

I don't see were Ob would hinder the dog from catching a hog...

Dub, I tottaly dis agree with most of your post....Most dogs WONT actually bite and HOLD a human,some will fear bite and run but to bite and stay for the fight...not many will these days nor are too many folks geared for owning a dog who will. The thing I hated most about training protection dogs for a living was Joe n Nancy Blow would bring thier dog of any common protection type breed to me/us and want it trained to stop someone like me from entering thier home and doing them harm....I had a moral problem with that in that I knew most of the dogs brought to us would piss thier self if pushed and the genetics just were not there. Maybe after a couple years the dog could be built up enough to do 1/2 enough of what was needed but these folks wanted a quick fix and turn around so wwe had to turn the dogs to fear bites who LOOKED like they would do some thing,get them to half azz hold a sleeve and send them down the road....when I trained for myself I lost alot of buissnes because I turned folks away as I knew I did not want the dog they brought me protecting me or mine so why would I train it for someone else? A good ole dog who will raise hell and leave em guessing is all it really takes to deter trouble any how.

[dub]

Underdog I am saying that a dog that holds a person is trained to do it. I agree with you completely. I guess I did not word things right because I thought we said the same thing. But I think some people think a guard dog is an attack dog. An attack dog is a problem a guard will keep people back or stop them not just attack. I had some guys I worked with and we never trained anybody else's dogs for the same reason you said. People have a dog they think can be trained but it is not worth the time of day. I used to put dogs in warehouses to keep druggies out. But alarms got better and with a lower liability we were out of business.

For home get a decent size dog with a loud bark. Then the bad guy will go next door. Get a yip yap dog and a gun even. But you do not want an attack dog.

[UNDERDOG]

Underdog I am saying that a dog that holds a person is trained to do it. I agree with you completely. I guess I did not word things right because I thought we said the same thing. But I think some people think a guard dog is an attack dog. An attack dog is a problem a guard will keep people back or stop them not just attack. I had some guys I worked with and we never trained anybody else's dogs for the same reason you said. People have a dog they think can be trained but it is not worth the time of day. I used to put dogs in warehouses to keep druggies out. But alarms got better and with a lower liability we were out of business.

For home get a decent size dog with a loud bark. Then the bad guy will go next door. Get a yip yap dog and a gun even. But you do not want an attack dog.

Thats the problem sometime comunicating via computer.....I'm with ya now exept I still like one or three around that will lay teeth 

[KevinN]

I don't THINK you can have to good a handle. I have that issue with my bulldog. He is a year and a half and i Just started him on hogs. He has had one trip to the pen. He caught soft, by that I mean he let go of the hog when I stepped up behind him and just touched him. He was afraid he was in trouble. He did that every time. Next time in the pen I'm gonna let him catch and hold for a few minutes while I praise him from a distance. I think that will solve my issue. We'll see!

[INABs]

I agree with a lot said.  This is my catch dog Crown working with Bob who posts on here.  He has some great philosophies about guard work and training that brings in the dogs hunting instincts.  I wanted to do PSA with Crown but moved right in the middle of starting him.  There is a ton of responsibility with bitework and a level headed dog.  I think the dog you use is just as important as you.  He will get nasty on a man if it ever becomes necessary and will sure catch the hell out of a hog.  Real level headed dog and stable as can be or I would have never done manwork with him.   Catching is and will always be number one. 

[INABs]

BTW Bryant, Hasta looks super nice in that vid.  I can't wait to see him in person in Sep. at Heather's show. 

[TexasLacy]

Bullbreeds bring bite work to a whole new level as well and level of responsibility.

What are your reasons for saying this?

[UNDERDOG]

Bullbreeds bring bite work to a whole new level as well and level of responsibility.

What are your reasons for saying this?

Common sense and personal experience.

[TexasLacy]

Could you expand on the common sense aspect of it?

[charles]

Could you expand on the common sense aspect of it?

there is very little of it now days. common sence is in a book or school, not real life. it is fought in the court rooms not in the home owners house or yard. a person shows up to do wrong, you or your dog attacks/kills the person, now your on trial for defending your own possecions bc some1 else is to chitty and lazy to get his/her own belongings.

[TexasLacy]

I agree with you, Im curious though why exclude bull breeds from schutzund training.  Why does using bull breeds "take it to a whole new level?""