A bit of universal political philosophy for the evening...

[waylon-N.E. OK]

There will never be peace with a people who believe you are evil. A majority of the fighters from the middle east are fighting because the feel in there core that there god commands it. I truly believe they are lead by evil myself, if they were to force there religion or way of life on the people of Oklahoma I would behave as they do now and use all tactics at my disposal. I don't like'em, but I do respect'em for there willingness to die for there beliefs . My opinion and I'm entitled to it as anyone else is that the only way to stop them is total eradication of them as a people. That can not be done and it would be wrong to do, but as long as there is muslim vs jew/christain's there will be war. Both religions believe Jerusalem is there and vital for there scriptures to be fulfilled. Just for the record, I dislike the islamic religion , not the people from the middle east aside from that.

[TexasLacy]

Noah, I cannot speak for ASTAN, but fighting the insurgents in IRQ is just like Charles said, it is guerilla warfare.  The enemy is not readily recognizable.  The man you bought a hajji movie from in the market at 1500 may very well take some pot shots at you at 1900.  They don't think the same way we do.  The kids that come looking for candy, or pepsi money are sometimes looking to distract you, or will go tell their uncles and brothers what youre doing.

Charles, I agree with you on the smell.  I don't hate anyone for their skin color, but even the hajjis that live here have that same "ass, feet, goat and curry" smell seeping out of their pores.  I can't go in one of their gas stations even if I wanted to (which I don't) because of the smell.  I have forgotten a lot of things, but I will never forget that smell. 

[charles]

hey matt, speaking of gas station and smell. 2 friends from kansas and myself were driving down to tx from ft riley and i stoped to get a roll of quarters for the toll road in ok. i ask for $10 dollars in quaters and clerk said i cant give me anyting more than a dollar. i ask him about the the money drop box behind him and he said he didnt know how to use it. 1 of the friends worked at a gas station and i would spend hrs bsin with him up there. i explained how to use it, and then he said he didnt want to give me the quarters. i had about $100 in beer i=on the counter and was fixn to pay for it when he said he didnt feel like it. i told him to put his beer back up and told the other guys to get in the truck, it smelled like the rotten a-hole of bahgdad in the store. it sure did p him off. both iraq and afghan smell the same and the food both taste nearly the same.

[TexasLacy]

I know which store are hajji owned here, but if I'm traveling and accidentally stop at one, I turn around and leave. It's that simple, they will not get my money.

[SCHitemHard]

I know which store are hajji owned here, but if I'm traveling and accidentally stop at one, I turn around and leave. It's that simple, they will not get my money.

most get rocks through windows around here.

and any man who wants to come over here after me there will be two people missing, me and the fella they send after me

[Noah]

You two ever stop to think that they might actually find "American smell" as offensive as you find theirs?   ... think about it.

[texasgrit]

you think about where you get to go hog hunting with dog. you dont forget where you cant say JESUS CHRIST IS YOU SAVIOR. AM SORRY for you  IF YOU DONT.

[charles]

You two ever stop to think that they might actually find "American smell" as offensive as you find theirs?   ... think about it.

when i start smelling like a have not had a shower for a month and got a sever case of fumunda cheese brewing in my pants, then i think i will smell as bad as they do. its not like their borders are wide open like a flood gate letting us in and them giving us free money to open up baypens and hog farms.
as you said you aint never been over there or had to deal with them. iv spent 2 months in the field when i was in artillery and had a shower once every 7 days and i know what swampa$$ smells like and they have a sever case of swamp going on.

[Noah]

you think about where you get to go hog hunting with dog. you dont forget where you cant say JESUS CHRIST IS YOU SAVIOR. AM SORRY for you  IF YOU DONT.

Please explain if you would...

[charles]

you think about where you get to go hog hunting with dog. you dont forget where you cant say JESUS CHRIST IS YOU SAVIOR. AM SORRY for you  IF YOU DONT.

Please explain if you would...

i was thinking the same 

[Noah]

You two ever stop to think that they might actually find "American smell" as offensive as you find theirs?   ... think about it.

when i start smelling like a have not had a shower for a month and got a sever case of fumunda cheese brewing in my pants, then i think i will smell as bad as they do. its not like their borders are wide open like a flood gate letting us in and them giving us free money to open up baypens and hog farms.
as you said you aint never been over there or had to deal with them. iv spent 2 months in the field when i was in artillery and had a shower once every 7 days and i know what swampa$$ smells like and they have a sever case of swamp going on.

I ain't denying that "they"  (as I proceed to group a whole race into one pronoun )  smell like a camel's ass with a smoldering stick of incense sticking out of it....  a smell is a smell.... Cultures are different.   Exponentially different cultures are going to have exponentially different smells... don't make either one "right".... just different

[charles]

 very true noah, every culture has a uniquie smell, but in kasakstan and uzbekastan, just across the border, they too have a different odor, it not irish spring fresh, but a lot more pleasent to the nose than iraqis and afghanies.
their food is good, but again gotta get over them kneading the bread dough with thier feet.

[Noah]

Sh!t, I thought that's how everybody made sour dough... ba-dum-dump...     (that was horrible, forgive me Lord  )

[charles]

Sh!t, I thought that's how everybody made sour dough... ba-dum-dump...     (that was horrible, forgive me Lord  )

 
i dont think its called suor dough, but like fugi dough

[CentralTex 254]

I think everybody needs to watch this link and realize that we are screwing up. America can only go on for so long the way we are living now. 
What was this great country founded on?

http://youtu.be/TYKAbRK_wKA

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[charles]

I think everybody needs to watch this link and realize that we are screwing up. America can only go on for so long the way we are living now. 
What was this great country founded on?

http://youtu.be/TYKAbRK_wKA

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very true. the american people are to blind or dumb to relize what our government is doing. things cant be change by olny a few, but yet you cant get everybody on board bc they they have been (hypnotized) in speaking by the government in thinking they can do no wrong and they are doing the better good of the people.

[5G ybmc]

if they don,t like the way i smell or my country smell,s they can take their ass home.

[RL]

The argument of "if you don't like _____, then leave" or "if you don't like _____, then go back to your home" are weak arguments.  Debate is fundamental in this country, unlike many of the countries "we" tend to rail against.  So disagreeing is not a basis to leave.

Noah is right about "smells".  Cultures vary.  Even cultures within our country.  Consider for a  moment the many ethic groups within the U.S. with different "smells".  Heck, think about native indians.

There is some handsoap that is dispensed where my wife works  ...  and she washes her hands with.  Drive me out of a room.  Literally, I leave.  I find it offensive.  Of course, she then gets offended that I express my displeasure  ...  and I end up in a no win situation.  So I guess even within subsets of a culture, where there is no cultural variance  ...  smells can still be offensive.

What we need to focus on is what we have in common.  Are they good people?  Are they trying to provide for the families?  Are they trust worthy? Etc.

[charles]

The argument of "if you don't like _____, then leave" or "if you don't like _____, then go back to your home" are weak arguments.  Debate is fundamental in this country, unlike many of the countries "we" tend to rail against.  So disagreeing is not a basis to leave.

Noah is right about "smells".  Cultures vary.  Even cultures within our country.  Consider for a  moment the many ethic groups within the U.S. with different "smells".  Heck, think about native indians.

There is some handsoap that is dispensed where my wife works  ...  and she washes her hands with.  Drive me out of a room.  Literally, I leave.  I find it offensive.  Of course, she then gets offended that I express my displeasure  ...  and I end up in a no win situation.  So I guess even within subsets of a culture, where there is no cultural variance  ...  smells can still be offensive.

What we need to focus on is what we have in common.  Are they good people?  Are they trying to provide for the families?  Are they trust worthy? Etc.

very good points of view rl. now can you answer the question you ask of, are they trust worthy? they play for the americans while on military bases over there by day and some play for the enemy by night. some are forced into it bc of threats of their families being killed, but can that reasoning be cooberated truthfully with out a bias opinion from the family members? are they good people? again, goes back to trust. what makes them good people? and your next question is are they trying to provide for their families? are they doing it for the better good of their selves, or are they doing it to gain intel on troop numbers, types of equipment, responce time to a rocket/motor attack for getting ground units mounted and out the gates, to getting attack birds aloft to assist in the recovery of the enemy who launched the attack? there are different variables in all these questions on both side, and i have seen it first hand from a soldiers stand point and now a civilian contractor over there. they are not our friends, but yet not all are our enemy, they and as we do, walk a fine line of trust. just like the saying says. (keep your friends close, but keep your enemy closer) we are doing that, and they too are doing it.
now lets come to america. do you think its fare for americans to be denide government loans for a business, but yet a a completely new immigrant can get a 7yr grant or loan to open up a business, paid by yours and my tax dollars? there are to many bleeding hearts out there that say, well they are of a poor and uneducated culture (not race), when yet there are americans who come from poor and illiterate backgrounds, some choose to be that way, and some are born into it with no hope of getting ahead, because of a viscious cycle of the wealthy keeping the little man down. the poor always getting screwed over by the rich. always have, always will. does money make them better than those that dont have money? only for education, living conditions and just plain living in its own, but as a person, are they better, do they have better values, are they honest hard workers, or just honest thieves with money and power over the poor? 

[Reuben]

The argument of "if you don't like _____, then leave" or "if you don't like _____, then go back to your home" are weak arguments.  Debate is fundamental in this country, unlike many of the countries "we" tend to rail against.  So disagreeing is not a basis to leave.

RL...I like what you said...