Short vs long range, Humor me

[T-Bob Parker]

On a loooooooong road trip, bored and tired from road hypnosis.

Which do you prefer, what do you call long range and are you mistaking bottom for range and vise versa.



I ask on this premise and I've already got my mind made so talk amongst yourselves;
If you are doing your job as a dog handler and putting your dogs on places where there are hogs, why does it matter if the dogs are within 50-100 yards of you till they strike or out 1000 yards away before they strike. What I mean is that to me a dog is just as likely to come across good hog sign where I'm walking to as they are 1000 yards away from me, what do y'all think

[halfbreed]

anything out of hearing is too far for me . i like a dog to make a good 5 or 600 yd CIRCLE around me huntin . not run a mile straight out in front to find a hog . but i don't use garmins or atv's when huntin .

[Reuben]

I want the dog to hunt with me but to and hunt out 1/4(loop/circle) mile in any direction...when I don't see a dog I know they are running a track or bayed...

the more ground they cover the better chance of finding a pig...but let's not confuse a brush beater with a good hunting dog....a brush beater stays busy and looks good hunting but can seldom find a pig. I have seen a few dogs that kick rocks in your face leaving out for a mile before they actually start hunting...and seen these dogs pass up some good tracks...

some dogs don't have to range or hunt out far but strike first...because they are smart enough to know if there are hogs in the woods or not...these dogs probably have a colder nose and are smart enough to know the difference.

[brad s]

My dogs stay within couple hundred yards from me while ther isn't any sign but once get in some sign u want see them til bayed. As long as they ain't at my feet it don't matter to me how far they hunt as long as they will find em. But the way they run these days I don't want em mile away bc by time I get ther hog will b done broke by that point

[halfbreed]

yeah rueben nothin more aggravating than turning out a bunch of dogs that haul butt outta there in a straight line and lookin over your shoulder and seeing pigs moving down the fence row behind you that them dogs never knew was there .

[Dexter]

 in the middle  thats where all the hogs are

[uglydog]

i thought about coming back sarcastic like and giving you a good dose of your own medicine and then it occured to me I could not come up with anything real nifty to pop off with  

[Dexter]

 

[T-Bob Parker]

i thought about coming back sarcastic like and giving you a good dose of your own medicine and then it occured to me I could not come up with anything real nifty to pop off with  

That's alright Mrs Krystal, I'm sure it'll come to you by the morning (like a long range dog with no tracking collar and ugly dogs phone number)

And dexter, don't be scared, y'all oughta know I'm fine with sarcasm and thread jacking. I ask because I'm always learning and honestly want to know why it is that people who are totally sold out on one side or the other feel the way they do and hopefully start a fist fight threatening pissing match in the process. 

[tnhillbilly]

They both have their place and both work.

[muleman]

The older I get the less I like those go yonder dogs long as they ain't keeping my feet warm and we are catching pigs they are just right

[BA-IV]

I want a dog that hunts for me and not himself, meaning it's hunting from my feet out.  if a dog can make loops from 400 yds out to 1000 yds out and come back in, then I'm content.  And this is a dog hunting in absolutely no sign. 

I've seen dogs bay up within a few hundred yds behind dogs that straight line out and just run.  It's aggravating because I know the dog is running by sign he can take, and alot of times I'm free casting into blocks I think hogs are in without seeing sign.

[bigo]

I like a dog that finds a majority of his hogs within hearing but will go a mile or more if necesary to find one. To me, thats a good long range dog. A dog that goes a mile or more everytime to find a hog where I hunt, is a sorry find dog. If my dogs end up out of the country on one, I know they trailed it and that comes under the trailing and bottom heading.

[T-Bob Parker]

I like a dog that finds a majority of his hogs within hearing but will go a mile or more if necesary to find one. To me, thats a good long range dog. A dog that goes a mile or more everytime to find a hog where I hunt, is a sorry find dog. If my dogs end up out of the country on one, I know they trailed it and that comes under the trailing and bottom heading.

Well said sir.

[Mike]

I like an all range dog... with endless bottom.

[Bryant]

The way I breed and hunt my dogs is due to the type of terrain I hunt.  Mostly large blocks of woods with not much in the way of accessibility.  When I cast a dog out I expect them to work the whole block and them some without me going along.  I don't walk...and I don't move my dogs around when they're hunting by way of ATV.  Quite often they bay out of hearing range...the Garmin and being able to tell when they are stopped completely revolutionized the way I hunt.  In cold sign if I cast them freely, I can expect a +/- mile loop and often times they won't check in at all.  Just my preference.

Lots of folks who claim to want longer range hunting dogs haven't hunted with any....there are plenty of times they can be frustrating as heck when you're ready to go home.  I often read people also assuming that just because a dog will go deep that he/she will miss hogs along the way.  In my opinion, that's just a sorry dog.  On the first couple hundred yards there should be no difference in the dogs...the big difference is when the other dogs turn and start moving back in the rangier dogs are still rolling out.

As far as the dogs themselves, 99% is genetic and 1% the way you hunt them.  Nine times out of ten my dogs that will roll when they are adults will move out on their own the first time in the woods just the same.  Perhaps some of the shorter range young ones would learn in time to hunt deeper, but they usually don't get that chance.