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SouthernInferno
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« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2012, 01:19:26 pm »

peds online is a pay site.  30 bucks a year. 
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« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2012, 01:46:37 pm »

thank you  for all the input , do you have bay dogs
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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2012, 02:51:10 pm »

Sure do.
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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2012, 02:54:24 pm »

Mostly leopard curs, but I keep a plott or two around and a houla.  Wink 
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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2012, 06:48:51 pm »

Mostly leopard curs, but I keep a plott or two around and a houla.  Wink 

you gotta have at least one yard dog... Grin JK
First thing I would recommend is a true honest evaluation of him.  Grab a pen and pad and list out the good and bad about the dog.  Major and minor.  Breed worthy dog is going to have a larger group of positives than negatives, but no dogs perfect.  Got to be honest about it too, will only hurt your program if you make excuses or overlook the downfalls of a dog, its called kennel blindness and its been the downfall of several programs.  Look back over that list and figure out what traits are most important to you.  Really this process just helps in defining what to you is the perfect dog, how close a current one is to it, and helps set you up for what direction to take.   If a dog is lacking in an important trait for you then it is time for an outcross, find another line thats renowned for what yours is lacking and go from there. If all the most important traits are there then its time to look back into the ped for a line breeding or possibly even an inbreeding.    The goal of any breeding should be maintaining and improving upon what you have.  Linebreeding/inbreeding amplifies all traits, good and bad.  Your not introducing anything new into the gene pool.  Its often a good way to find out what your stock is lacking because it will bring it to the surface any flaws.  Its also the only way you are going to get consistency.  Out crosses bring to the table whats known as "hybrid vigor".  This is why you will often see exceptional dogs from 50/50 crosses.  If you keep doing crosses though you will never have any consistency. This is an extreme simplification of some breeding tactics, but its a start.  And of course there are always exceptions to the rules. 
 
In regards to your dog in particular I can give you plenty of insight and direction on the OFRN side of things, but my first hand experience with those particular garner dogs is limited, so you will be better of searching for someone actively working those dogs to figure out what they bring to the table and what they lack. Just be be mindful of salesman tactics.  Many will say whatever it takes to sell you what they have.   



-Joe Corvino 


we must of read the same book...

and this is worth repeating... Just be be mindful of salesman tactics.  Many will say whatever it takes to sell you what they have. 

one thing I learned years ago...when shopping for a pup or dog don't tell the seller what you are looking for because it never fails...they always have exactly what you are looking for...

always make them tell you what they have...if they can't tell you what a good dog is supposed to like... or hunt... then they don't have any business breeding dogs...much less selling them...
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« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2012, 04:38:49 pm »

would this apply the same in linebreeding bay dogs ?  can you breed to close for example  a son back to his mother ?
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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2012, 06:55:29 pm »

yes you can do it...just need to make sure that both are of high quality...and keep the very best...fasted way to clean the gene pool...and picking the pups right is very important...the cream rises to the top...
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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2012, 07:00:51 pm »

The genetics will work the same.  Too close though is dependent on the dogs involved.  General rule of thumb is only to do those extremely tight breedings when you have two damn near perfect dogs.  On top of that there needs to be a pedigree of proven dogs.  You could have two litter mates that produce hogs for you even if you dropped em out in the middle of the atlantic, but if they are off of two cull quality dogs you've got a good shot at producing nothing but culls when bred together.  So generally if your gonna breed tight its best off of two near perfect dogs with pedigrees full of near perfect dogs.  You will still likely get some culls, but the ones that do turn out have the potential to go above and beyond their parents and will also have a strong ability to reproduce in their likeness.  
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« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2012, 07:08:35 pm »

Very true Reuben.  On that note its important to watch out for those that put a large emphasis on the famous dogs that may be six or seven generations back but make little mention of the quality or work that their own dogs have put in.  Pedigree just says what a dog should be, not what it actually is.  And it only takes a few generations of breeding untested dogs to end up with nothing more than a shell of a dog. 
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