Ben this Ben that.......

[JC2]

Without a doubt a very exceptional dog, I understand that.

The dog has been dead for 15 years and nobody has been able to put together a better one yet ?

If so why isnt that dogs name all over the place.

I have several dogs with his blood and they are great, I just don't understand why another has not taken his place by now..............If these dogs are being bred right.

The basis of this post is not whether the Ben carried great gentics but  why after 15  year are people trying their hardest to concentrate only his genes.

With this being said, I know for a fact there are many of you on here who have way more knowledge on every possible dog related subect than I do....... I just wanted to get some of yalls thoughts.

[Reuben]

the big question to me is this...was ben a one hit wonder or was he out of a top sire and dam as well as grand dam and grand sire???

but as far as your question as to why only ben is known probably has more to do with selling pups for the highest dollar...if I liked the ben dogs I would focus my breeding program from a son or grandson or grand daughter...but one that is as good as ben or even better...it just makes sense that a higher concentration of good blood produces a higher percentage of better dogs...

[t-dog]

I'm gonna start by saying this is just my opinion as I usually do. Ben was bred to many females. That's the first reason he shows up in so many pedigrees. He was bred so much because of three things. One, he was a really good dog obviously. Nobody wants to breed to a lesser animal. Two, he was campained strongly much like Dash For Cash or other big name studs in the horse world. This usually means that whatever is being campained is sensationalized to some degree. People that aren't personally familiar with the animal will usually accept the extra dynamics for a multitude of different reasons. The third reason is that Ben produced. He was a dominate stud which means that his genetics usually superceded the genetics of the females he was bred to. Most studs are not dominate in that sense. He was the producing stud in the black mouth world for several years. This is the legacy that was created. Like anything else, when it dies, it gets better. Good dogs become great dogs, and the great ones become legendary. Everybody wants their own legend or at least a part of one. This what I see as being responsible for the "Ben" craze.

[cward]

Ben was a catchdog. He was used to catch hogs and to catch cows. Culled by his original breeder for being a bay buster on cows.  Ya'll im going to say is great marketing and great money to be made. Bottom line. No one brings up the bitchs that made the pups out of him.  A good producing bitch can make some dang good pups to. Its all about the market.

[Reuben]

great marketing went into this dog in the full cry magazine...not trying to disrespect Donald Cain but he mainly wrote about Ben in the full cry column that was written for the FBMCA...if it wasn't about ben it was about ben dogs...all were built right and top of the line...but that was his style of writing...the way I read it it seemed that the FBMCA was built around that dog...it was in the beginning when some folks were trying to bring together the bmc and develop a registry for the bmc...a few other registries were started at about the same time but went by the way side...

[Randy_P]

Ben was a catchdog. He was used to catch hogs and to catch cows. Culled by his original breeder for being a bay buster on cows.  Ya'll im going to say is great marketing and great money to be made. Bottom line. No one brings up the bitchs that made the pups out of him.  A good producing bitch can make some dang good pups to. Its all about the market.

Could not have said it better!!  ALL ABOUT THE $$$$$$

[Bryant]

Awful hard to compare what you have seen to what you have not.  In my years I've seen lots of dogs that the owners thought highly of That just didn't do much for me personally.

[BIG BEN]

 Its amazing what advertizing can do, Give him some time and Im sure Mr Wright can sell sand in egypt.

[TexasHogDogs]

As a breeder of dogs for a long time now 30 yrs .

Sometimes to much of a good thing "kennel blindness" makes just the right amout of noting in the end you keep beating that dead horse what ya gonna get a dead  horse what have you lost a great bloodline and then on the flip side sometimes just the right amount of noting makes a great thing and if it dont then it was noting to start with so what have you lost noting just what you started out with .

Not saying this is what it is but it comes a time when you got to stop looking at the blood line the one dog started and start looking at the dog you are breeding today!

Is there a way out of this glass house  ?

Sure just throw a rock !

[justincorbell]

Ben was a catchdog. He was used to catch hogs and to catch cows. Culled by his original breeder for being a bay buster on cows.  Ya'll im going to say is great marketing and great money to be made. Bottom line. No one brings up the bitchs that made the pups out of him.  A good producing bitch can make some dang good pups to. Its all about the market.

Ding ding ding, winner winner chicken dinner!


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

[Reuben]

Awful hard to compare what you have seen to what you have not.  In my years I've seen lots of dogs that the owners thought highly of That just didn't do much for me personally.

x2...I have culled better dogs in some cases...

[hogaholicswife]

I have read until my eyes want to explode.

Please someone explain to me how you get something that is 50% X-dog / 50% Y-Dog / 37.5% Wetherford's Ben....are they referencing the combined % of WB from the X/Y pairing??

Also, how is it that the NKC would register a gyp from Adams Ranch (T.L.S. Delight) but they would not accept a dog that fits the standard but doesn't have the paper work much like the Delight gyp??

[hogdog05]

I believe chance said it best.  The dog was culled by a man that has culled better dogs than most people will ever have.  I don't remember how many females he bred.  You can't tell me that all those females were excellent dogs.  The way I breed excellent to excellent.  But its just like the high name horses and Tue mares they bred.  There's many horses carrying those studs name on paper that ain't worth the piece of paper its on.  They are marketed cuz somebody had the money to market Tue name 10 years ago and we think we still gotta have it.  I ain't good with words but to me the INTERNET=MARKETING. 

[halfbreed]

hell before the internet way way back in the stone age we did our marketing in the huntin dog mags . remember when you couldn't wait to get to the mailbox for your fullcry mag so you could find out what dog was doing what .

[AnthonyB]

Whenever I see this topic I kind of laugh and cringe at the same time, but they are entertaining to read. All of the pros and cons seem to be the same, from hype to money, to blah blah blah, and it seems to come up a few times a month. Starting to wonder if the Mods should just pin it to the top so everyone doesn't have to keep posting the same things over and over again. lol. 

To answer your question hogaholicswife, the percentages come from a breeder keeping track of their line breeding. For example, the parents of a dog may be 45% Ben on the mom, and 55% on the dad. This gives you 100% which you divide by 2. This makes the pup 50% Ben on line bred percentage. But it is also half of its parents, which means it is 50% mom, 50% dad, and 50% Ben. You can keep track of other dogs in the pedigree of a pup or dog by dividing out the dogs in their line and keeping track of the percentages. This is line bred percentage and not the actual genetic similarity, to get that you would have to DNA test the dogs against the DNA of the dog you are trying to line bred. With line breeding percentages it is easy to come up with numbers that when combined equal more than 100%. Hope that answers your question. 
Anthony

[YELLOWBLACKMASK]

Haha.

I am sitting on the couch with my right leg wrapped around my head under my left arm with a toe stuck in my ear.  I am currently utilizing my wife and childs fingers and toes to count on because I used up all of mine to try and figure out what %  Wetherford Ben I have in my registered Jersey Cow.   

 J/K

Thanks for the breakdown brotha. Always wondered how they got them crazy %. 

[Hog_Hunter_57]

Haha.

I am sitting on the couch with my right leg wrapped around my head under my left arm with a toe stuck in my ear.  I am currently utilizing my wife and childs fingers and toes to count on because I used up all of mine to try and figure out what %  Wetherford Ben I have in my registered Jersey Cow.   

 J/K

Thanks for the breakdown brotha. Always wondered how they got them crazy %. 

HAHAHAHA

[Bigdog]

who owned the ben dog.and are they related to the dogs that ben jordan owns out of smithvill okla.

[bigo]

Ben was a grandson of Ben Jordans Henry. Clue Anderson owned his sire, Baumans Ben, and used him on cows. He also had a full sister to W. Ben named Jolene. Clue said they were both pretty nice on cows and both produced some good dogs. The Jolene female was in Clue's Cowboy dog's pedigree three times, I think. Ben Jordan said Henry helped about every female he was bred to. Mr. Jordan had a place where he had to drive cows 12 miles down a shale road and stated that Henry was one of  the few dogs that could make the trip then turn around and do it the next day.

[Bigdog]

bigo i live about 25 mins from ben but never really talked to him,but hunt with sum guys who know him and got dogs from him.i would like to go visit with some time he used to cowboy with sum of my famliy.im not much of a yellow dog man,but i know he has raised sum good dogs.didnt he get his first yellow dogs from rickey driver or am i mistaken.i have a buddy named ladale toon that said ben forgot more about dogs than most people know.