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Henry was the first dog Ben got from Ricky Driver along with a female littermate. They were stud fee pups By Divers Leroy and out of Owens Lizz, which belonged to my Dad. People that don't belive cow dogs are tough and have no hunt and finding ability needed to have gathered cattle where you live just a few years ago when it was still open range. Ben and Ricky Driver are the best hands with dogs I ever saw, with Clue Anderson close behind.
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The older I get, the better I was.
If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principle difference between a dog and a man.
Mark Twain
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i'll also add that for years mr. ben bayed, drove , and penned woods hogs the same as cattle with his dogs.
you'll cull alot of high % weathorford ben dogs before ... nevermind , it ain't even possible . as i said on the other post they are too rough on cattle , or hogs . would you stand still and stay bayed if a dog was chewing on you after you stopped ?
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i'll also add that for years mr. ben bayed, drove , and penned woods hogs the same as cattle with his dogs.
you'll cull alot of high % weathorford ben dogs before ... nevermind , it ain't even possible . as i said on the other post they are too rough on cattle , or hogs . would you stand still and stay bayed if a dog was chewing on you after you stopped ?
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Some folks prefer a rough pack of dogs. To each their own. U hunt ur way n others hunt their way n the same with their style of dogs
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Why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away? An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a king can!
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Some folks prefer a rough pack of dogs. To each their own. U hunt ur way n others hunt their way n the same with their style of dogs
yep Charles...I know what type of bay style will produces the most hogs...but I like em rough...  |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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If everyone liked the same exact thing in a dog there woudn't be but one dog in the world and everyone would be fighting over it. If you havn't seen every dog in a line you can't say they are all sorry, all you can say is, I didn't like the ones I've seen. Heck, over the years I've seen a bunch of mine I didn't like. I have given dogs to people that were too good to shoot but i didn't like and they loved them. I've had some that i loved and other folks wouldn't hunt if you gave the dog to them.
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The older I get, the better I was.
If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principle difference between a dog and a man.
Mark Twain
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If everyone liked the same exact thing in a dog there woudn't be but one dog in the world and everyone would be fighting over it. If you havn't seen every dog in a line you can't say they are all sorry, all you can say is, I didn't like the ones I've seen. Heck, over the years I've seen a bunch of mine I didn't like. I have given dogs to people that were too good to shoot but i didn't like and they loved them. I've had some that i loved and other folks wouldn't hunt if you gave the dog to them.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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If everyone liked the same exact thing in a dog there woudn't be but one dog in the world and everyone would be fighting over it. If you havn't seen every dog in a line you can't say they are all sorry, all you can say is, I didn't like the ones I've seen. Heck, over the years I've seen a bunch of mine I didn't like. I have given dogs to people that were too good to shoot but i didn't like and they loved them. I've had some that i loved and other folks wouldn't hunt if you gave the dog to them.
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I hunt and breed FBMCBO,inc. dogs. (Weatherford's Ben)
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long live yellow power I ve been quiet on this one so far thats al I have to say for now
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Air, what hurts the line is are the people breeding the culls. Just because you pay 800 for pup doesn't mean it should be bred multiple times. I know a few that have been bred with never haveing seen a hog outside a pen. And I am not talking a bay pen dog. You may be doing things right,others are the ones I am talking about.
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There's a coon, nevermind, thats Buster.
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Air, what hurts the line is are the people breeding the culls. Just because you pay 800 for pup doesn't mean it should be bred multiple times. I know a few that have been bred with never haveing seen a hog outside a pen. And I am not talking a bay pen dog. You may be doing things right,others are the ones I am talking about.
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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Air, what hurts the line is are the people breeding the culls. Just because you pay 800 for pup doesn't mean it should be bred multiple times. I know a few that have been bred with never haveing seen a hog outside a pen. And I am not talking a bay pen dog. You may be doing things right,others are the ones I am talking about.
yes agree 100% that was my point in my last topicalong these lines the hard part is not lieing to yourself and not thinking one has the best dogs notice a cull even if its your best dog   |
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I can deffinately agree with that one Can. And I will also add that just because you have line bred dogs that work doesn't nessesarily mean that they should be bred. There are some that breed without fully understanding the genetics in the dogs that they have, thus producing dogs that are less than what they should be and not helping the line at all.
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I hunt and breed FBMCBO,inc. dogs. (Weatherford's Ben)
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Hogaholicswife- TLS Delight is my dog Okefenokee Cowboy's mom, she cam of the Adams Ranch in Florida and Levone Sevilles in Texas got her and wanted Randy to register her FBMCO so he said breed her to 3 different BMC males and if she doesn't throw any odd colors then he would register her. Then Sam Piper in Virginia got her and made some fine dogs over his breeding program. Rathke's Reno was my dogs dad. And to answer the fellow about why have we not seen another Ben, we have; their just not talked up so much but there are plenty out there and I have one. Ole Cowboy is 12 and still a machine and has produced some fine dogs.
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Hogaholicswife- TLS Delight is my dog Okefenokee Cowboy's mom, she cam of the Adams Ranch in Florida and Levone Sevilles in Texas got her and wanted Randy to register her FBMCO so he said breed her to 3 different BMC males and if she doesn't throw any odd colors then he would register her. Then Sam Piper in Virginia got her and made some fine dogs over his breeding program. Rathke's Reno was my dogs dad. And to answer the fellow about why have we not seen another Ben, we have; their just not talked up so much but there are plenty out there and I have one. Ole Cowboy is 12 and still a machine and has produced some fine dogs.
Was this when they first started the FBMCO? I was just curious if she was some of the first ones to be registered as such and how she came about getting registered with them since she wasn't of 'those dogs' just a Florida dog with an obvious history but no paperwork. Thank you. |
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Ben was a catchdog. He was used to catch hogs and to catch cows. Culled by his original breeder for being a bay buster on cows. Ya'll im going to say is great marketing and great money to be made. Bottom line. No one brings up the bitchs that made the pups out of him. A good producing bitch can make some dang good pups to. Its all about the market.
Chance.... I've never been impressed with Weatherford's Ben bred dogs, the ones ive seen touting that lable were just too catchy for my taste. I Can't stand a bay buster. Now It makes sence why they were that way, learning that he was used as a catch dog. Your statement has gotta be one of those truth hurts moments for allot of people. Me..... I'm a fan of the truth, expecially when it hurts. I wonder where the Yellow BMC world would be if weatherfords ben had truely been culled, and they had progressed without him in the picture? Perhaps they could have turned out as good as these lesser known "workin' man's" Cur lines that throw "colored" dogs. Waylon |
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Hogahollicswife- Had to be around 20-25yrs ago. I got that info from Sam Piper who got Delight from Levon Sevilles. I've got a buddy in floridia that is checking with the Adams to see if any body remembers Dellight and where she came from, did they breed her or she come from another state... Wmwendler- Most of the black mouths I have seen are not catch dogs, only catch when another dog catches. My Cowboy dog is Grandson to Ben and he has bayed a many of a hog...
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Chance.... I've never been impressed with Weatherford's Ben bred dogs, the ones ive seen touting that lable were just too catchy for my taste. I Can't stand a bay buster. Now It makes sence why they were that way, learning that he was used as a catch dog. Your statement has gotta be one of those truth hurts moments for allot of people. Me..... I'm a fan of the truth, expecially when it hurts. I wonder where the Yellow BMC world would be if weatherfords ben had truely been culled, and they had progressed without him in the picture? Perhaps they could have turned out as good as these lesser known "workin' man's" Cur lines that throw "colored" dogs. Waylon [/quote] i had a granddaughter to ben and dauther to yellowjacket, who just bay, no catch in her, but her offspring were catchy. i bred her to a dog out of pistolero x yellowjacket rose. the pups will be 8wk tomorrow and iv been in new mexico for the past 2wks and i noticed them today paying real close attention to the pigs in the pen. im hoping they turn out good for me. the sire to these pups and 5 more are real catchy if the hog is small enough. to each their own with dogs being catchy. i perfer catchy dogs. it is less work on the catch dog especially since i dont have a catch dog, but could lead to a dead dog or a lot of stiches. |
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hog runner......I didn't mean the ones I had seen were straight catch dogs. They were just catchy which to me means baying too tight, putting teeth on a hog when its standing at bay, catching single hogs out of a group and busting the rest. Just a general lack of finess and stock holding ability. Thats what I've seen out dogs who carried the Ben lable. Sure you can "bay" hogs like that but you will end up with allot of single hog bays when there was a group to start with......AND is it really a bay up with dogs like that?...... or is the hog just too busy defending himself to run off like he wants to. To me a true bay up is when the hog (or cow for that matter) is standing relatively still and calm, paying attention to the dog but not defending itself from it.
A man can use those kind of catchy dogs for hogs and if he does not care about busting up groups of hogs and just wants to catch a hog or two. But you cannot use them on cattle because busting up the group will get a dog culled quick. Thats why you don't see many these "Ben dogs" in the back of a stock trailer with a few horses.
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I agree Waylon about a bay. My Cowboy dog was trained on cattle as well. I only use him on hogs and he does just like you say, just enough pressure to hold the hog still and calm until help arrives. I live in GA where hog hunters are plentiful and hogs run and run but about 2 yrs ago Cowboy had 3 boars bayed alone until we got there and dumped the dogs to him and ofcourse they busted the bay and we only ended up catching one. I don't like a catchy dog either but do want him to catch with other dogs when they arrive.
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