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this is exactly what i know to be true everyone has their likes and dislikes and ill bet anything I could take a dog that comes from a line that is rough and short range and make them long range and loose baying. everyones dogs will work the way you train them to work and will follow the way your pack works!
Not saying it can't be done from time to time, But I would love to see someone do it consistently. I've seen sorry dogs come out of awesome lines and I've seen freaks of nature " awesome dogs " come out of junk but not very often. To say you can take any old dog out of any old line and train them to do exactly what you want them to do is hard to believe. I don't know you so I'm not saying you can't but I would like to see you do it. I do believe that proper training is a big help but the blood has got to be there first. It's hard to make a line of dogs that have been bred a certain way for generations hunt different without making an outcross for that trait. |
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A scared dog dont get no meat !
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this is exactly what i know to be true everyone has their likes and dislikes and ill bet anything I could take a dog that comes from a line that is rough and short range and make them long range and loose baying. everyones dogs will work the way you train them to work and will follow the way your pack works!
I havent been hunting now but 7 years but my opinion is. When that puppy is born its either in him to be a long range or a shorter range dog, yes I believe you can fine tune his baying abilities to some extent. But like i said thats just my belief so take it with a grain of salt. |
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this is exactly what i know to be true everyone has their likes and dislikes and ill bet anything I could take a dog that comes from a line that is rough and short range and make them long range and loose baying. everyones dogs will work the way you train them to work and will follow the way your pack works!
Not saying it can't be done from time to time, But I would love to see someone do it consistently. I've seen sorry dogs come out of awesome lines and I've seen freaks of nature " awesome dogs " come out of junk but not very often. To say you can take any old dog out of any old line and train them to do exactly what you want them to do is hard to believe. I don't know you so I'm not saying you can't but I would like to see you do it. I do believe that proper training is a big help but the blood has got to be there first. It's hard to make a line of dogs that have been bred a certain way for generations hunt different without making an outcross for that trait. I got to agree with Lance |
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The older I get the less Stupidity I can stand !
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this is exactly what i know to be true everyone has their likes and dislikes and ill bet anything I could take a dog that comes from a line that is rough and short range and make them long range and loose baying. everyones dogs will work the way you train them to work and will follow the way your pack works!
REALLY!!!! Well with all the post on the dog trade wanting long range dogs, I can only assume that you are getting rich selling dogs!!! lol......or is this (ASSUME) the one that (make an a$$ out of you & me)-- and the me being the one who believes your statement...... |
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this is exactly what i know to be true everyone has their likes and dislikes and ill bet anything I could take a dog that comes from a line that is rough and short range and make them long range and loose baying. everyones dogs will work the way you train them to work and will follow the way your pack works!
how would you go about this? by running them with a pack thats long range and loose? if you took a pup whos genetics were short and rough and had no access to other dogs, how would you do it? i personally like short range and rough so the thought on how to do this has honestly never crossed my mind. |
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this is exactly what i know to be true everyone has their likes and dislikes and ill bet anything I could take a dog that comes from a line that is rough and short range and make them long range and loose baying. everyones dogs will work the way you train them to work and will follow the way your pack works!
Just a couple of days ago I posted " analyzing your dogs in the pack" thread but it should of been "EVALUATING" your dogs in the pack... both words mean about the same...doggininhogs statement tends to fit along with what I have said...you can take a me too dog and run him in a good pack and this dog looks good... take him by himself and he is a cull...I have seen so called good packs of dogs...but when the lead dog is gone the pack looks like crap when hunting... I am not knocking the pack dogs because different dogs bring a different skill to the pack...just saying evaluate your dogs on individual performance and breed accordingly... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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Scott
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Rueben, I don't think you two were saying the same thing at all...
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Reuben
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Scott, that is the meaning I get from what he was saying...I am one of those that believes a dog can not be trained for certain traits...but some dogs can be made to hunt short or long range by the pack they are hunting with and this dog might not hunt by itself... I was just pointing this out
.. some folks make the mistake of calling this dog a good hunting dog. But then to some folks it could be...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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this is exactly what i know to be true everyone has their likes and dislikes and ill bet anything I could take a dog that comes from a line that is rough and short range and make them long range and loose baying. everyones dogs will work the way you train them to work and will follow the way your pack works!
Could you take that same dog and train him to be exactly what you want WITHOUT that pack. Putting dog onthe ground by himself and expecting him to get it done consistently is totally different then throwing a dog down with other dogs and letting him pack up. Going by your statement, you oughta have a yard full of straight up hog dogs, and you oughta be able to go right down to the pound and get em to do it. I just don't buy that. there are many people out there that do that very thing! I have ran into many hog hunters out there with mutes that are catching dogs and for only one reason ...money they dont want to spend the money to buy dogs or vests to protect their dogs it is easier to get a pack of mutes and push the woods sending dogs out on site chase then to invest any time or effort into making a good hog dog and protecting that dog as best as possible! I have NEVER got a dog killed by a hog do to training and the protection my dogs wear! How many of you can say the same thing? |
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Well I can tell you this: 1-You are not gonna take a pack of mutts and let them find hogs for you on a consistent basis unless you are over run with hogs. Put them dogs down with a track dog and that one dog will make that pack loom like an idiot. 2-You're not going to CONSISTENTLY get a mutt from a pound that can produce a hog by itself on a regular basis. Just ain't happening. 3-I hunt pretty hard in the summer and I don't run vests so saying people who don't run gear don't like their dogs not true. And if you're consistently catching big hogs, you will get a dog killed sooner or later. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. If you wanna play, sooner or later you'll pay the piper  |
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Equipment is a safety precaution .....but not a guarantee for safety.
Record it not...unfortunately odds usually dictate otherwise if continued in this sport.
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red79
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Dogginhogs I don't know u and I might be wrong. But if u have never got a dog killed in this sport then u either haven't been hunting long are you don't catch many hogs.
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I KNOW THIS IS OFF TOPIC BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVENT HAD A DOG KILLED HOG HINTS DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT LONG OR HAVEN'T CAUGHT MANY HOGS. I'VE BEEN HUNTING LONG ENOUGH AND CAUGHT PLENTY OF HOGS AND HAVE NEVER LOST A DOG TO A HOG. DON'T GET ME WRONG I'VE SEEN SEVERAL LOST IN THE LINE OF DUTY BUT NEVER PERSONALLY LOST A DOG TO A HOG.
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I KNOW THIS IS OFF TOPIC BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVENT HAD A DOG KILLED HOG HINTS DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVEN'T BEEN DOING IT LONG OR HAVEN'T CAUGHT MANY HOGS. I'VE BEEN HUNTING LONG ENOUGH AND CAUGHT PLENTY OF HOGS AND HAVE NEVER LOST A DOG TO A HOG. DON'T GET ME WRONG I'VE SEEN SEVERAL LOST IN THE LINE OF DUTY BUT NEVER PERSONALLY LOST A DOG TO A HOG.
I didn't wanna post it out of superstition, but X2 right here. Just been blessed |
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this is exactly what i know to be true everyone has their likes and dislikes and ill bet anything I could take a dog that comes from a line that is rough and short range and make them long range and loose baying. everyones dogs will work the way you train them to work and will follow the way your pack works!
Could you take that same dog and train him to be exactly what you want WITHOUT that pack. Putting dog onthe ground by himself and expecting him to get it done consistently is totally different then throwing a dog down with other dogs and letting him pack up. Going by your statement, you oughta have a yard full of straight up hog dogs, and you oughta be able to go right down to the pound and get em to do it. I just don't buy that. there are many people out there that do that very thing! I have ran into many hog hunters out there with mutes that are catching dogs and for only one reason ...money they dont want to spend the money to buy dogs or vests to protect their dogs it is easier to get a pack of mutes and push the woods sending dogs out on site chase then to invest any time or effort into making a good hog dog and protecting that dog as best as possible! I have NEVER got a dog killed by a hog do to training and the protection my dogs wear! How many of you can say the same thing? Well i've never hunted with deaf or mute dogs dogs (and i don't know why it makes a difference if they are mute or not) so maybe thats what it is!!! Lololol "the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland |
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"stupids in the water these days, they're gonna drink it anyway." - Chris Knight
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BA-IV
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I hope my post didn't come off as in if you hunted and didn't get a dog killed, you're not hunting. That wasn't my intention at all and far from the truth. I was simply saying that to say someone that didn't use the finest cut gear on every dog meant you didn't care was simply dumb, and the finest cut gear doesn't guarantee any safety.
From the get go, hog dogs have the odds stacked against em. Snakes, gators, diseases, bad hogs, and standards(culling) take most dogs before they reach an old age. I don't have many dogs in my yard but expect each one to produce so losing a single dog is a huge blow to my program, and hate to see it happen to anyone.
Like I said before, yore not gonna take a pack of mutts and consistently catch hogs, and any ONE well seasoned hog dog is gonna make that pack look foolish.
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ETHHunters
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BA I WAS REALLY REPLYING TO THE POST. LIKE TBOB SAID JUST BEEN REAL BLESSED IN THAT ASPECT. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE PROTECTION I ONLY RUN CUT GEAR ON MY BULLDOG BUT I DON'T RUN A VEST IN THE SUMMERTIME.
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Back to the question at hand.....
Dogginhogs- How do you take a close range catchy dog and turn him/her into a long range loose baying dog?? Not being a smart a$$, I am just curious as to the training techniques used to accomplish this feat.
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T-Bob Parker
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Back to the question at hand.....
Dogginhogs- How do you take a close range catchy dog and turn him/her into a long range loose baying dog?? Not being a smart a$$, I am just curious as to the training techniques used to accomplish this feat.
I don't know how to make a rough dog loose, but I do know how to make a short ranged dog long ranged. Step 1 remove garmin. Step 2et the dog get out of your sight Step 3 imagine that he ran a long ways off and is hunting real hard |
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