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« on: May 07, 2009, 08:09:27 am » |
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We have bought a couple of dogs that are advertised as finished strike dogs, I have no doubt that these dogs are what they say they are but, when we take them hunting they will stay at your feet,crawl under 4 wheelers and just wont go hunt, does it take some dogs longer to get to know the new hunters are what, and advise would be helpful thanks.
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2joe
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 08:23:34 am » |
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Some dogs might take a few days. Might be your feet LOL
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elliscountyhog
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 08:24:34 am » |
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If they have less than 10 -post and are all dogs for sale, then usually that means DO NOT BUY   . A finished or good dog wont have that issue. |
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Hunt Hard or STAY HOME!
"If the dog won't leave and go look, I'm not wasting my time." Quoted by Bryant.
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muleman
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 08:25:24 am » |
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I know when I got my blue dog, he was sposed to be already jamming. The first several hunts you couldnt kick him out from under your feet. then one day he just rolled out and found hogs and has been going ever since. I would give them some time.
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Bump
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 08:33:11 am » |
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Give him some time. That is a very common situation with any sort of hunting dog. I have raised or hunted many of coon dogs that did the same thing. Some took a few weeks.
I have a Jagd pup that took a month to get comfortable and he is still a little shaky at times.
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shawn
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 08:37:54 am » |
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It takes some longer than others, but like Elliscounty said, if it's a person that has just a few posts and everyone of them is selling a dog, I'd be leery of buying from someone like that.
Plus if they have claims that this dog found 2 or 300 pigs last year or something ridiculous like that, I'd be leery of that too. If that is true, why in the hell would you sell a dog like that?
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elliscountyhog
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 08:38:15 am » |
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Give him some time. That is a very common situation with any sort of hunting dog. I have raised or hunted many of coon dogs that did the same thing. Some took a few weeks.
I have a Jagd pup that took a month to get comfortable and he is still a little shaky at times.
Guess i have just been lucky with the ones i had got  , then y do a lot of people that sell dogs only give a 2 week trial. |
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Hunt Hard or STAY HOME!
"If the dog won't leave and go look, I'm not wasting my time." Quoted by Bryant.
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Scott
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 08:44:24 am » |
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I'd always give the dog time to get comfortable with me...some take longer than others...all are different. Personally, I wouldn't want a trial as much as I'd want the seller to take me on a hunt to see how the dog works for him. |
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muleman
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 08:51:57 am » |
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I say give them some time, but I wouldnt give them more than 4 or 5 hunts. the best idea is to hunt the dog with the seller. then you can see the dog at its finest.
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Circle C
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 08:56:54 am » |
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Walter, Like I mentioned on the phone. Plenty of people selling dogs to make a buck. Maybe what they mean by finished dog, is that they are finished fooling with it.  There are some great dogs out there, but I am willing to bet most of them will never make it to a classified section. I have bought more dogs than I care to think about. Some worked, most didn't. I think more often than not though, people were not intentionally lying about the dog, they just did not know the dog nearly as well as they thought they did. I have had more success buying dogs that I have hunted behind, but are "not for sale" which usually means I really don't want to sell this dog, but if you put enough bills in front of me, I will sell the dog |
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shawn
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2 week trials aren't long enough in my opinion, like Scott said, I'd rather go on a hunt with this dog and the pack and handler he's used to and buy him outright before I'd take one on a trial. Then probably expect about a month (4-5 hunts if you hunt on weekends only) of the dog staying at your feet. They are unsure and don't trust you yet, they want to know if they are gonna go out and hunt for you, are you gonna return the favor and find them or wait for them to come back? I have had more success buying dogs that I have hunted behind, but are "not for sale" which usually means I really don't want to sell this dog, but if you put enough bills in front of me, I will sell the dog I wish I had the money to do that, lol |
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Shawn, A lot of people enjoy "making a dog" ,raising it, training it, and seeing it "turn on". I would rather spend the money that takes and buy a dog already in the woods. In the end, it probably costs less to buy the older dog than it does to raise them. The difference is that someone who raises the dog gets an added bonus of knowing they made the dog what it is. I wish I had the money to do that, lol New money is printed every day... |
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Personally, I wouldn't want a trial as much as I'd want the seller to take me on a hunt to see how the dog works for him. My thoughts exactly. Also, I would want to see the dog hunt ALONE. Many a "me-too" dog can look really good paired up with an independant dog they are used to following. One of my dogs I traded for took about a month before he would get 20 yards from me but I had seen him hunt with his prior owner. Then one day he left. He still has his moments, but more times than not you better have a good set of batteries in the tracking system when you unsnap the lead. If I were to ever sell this dog on "trial" I would guarantee he would be brought back time and time again. Some will go right to hunting, some take more time, and then there are those who may never hunt for someone else. I don't think any of these make a dog any better or worse...it's just their personality. As far as being advertised as "finished"...what makes this so difficult is that everyone has their own opinion of what that means. I honestly feel that a lot of people (not picking, but especially new-commers to the sport) have never had the chance to hunt behind a TRUE powerhouse, so opinions of "finished" can vary greatly. |
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Personally, I wouldn't want a trial as much as I'd want the seller to take me on a hunt to see how the dog works for him. My thoughts exactly. Also, I would want to see the dog hunt ALONE. Many a "me-too" dog can look really good paired up with an independant dog they are used to following. As far as being advertised as "finished"...what makes this so difficult is that everyone has their own opinion of what that means. I honestly feel that a lot of people (not picking, but especially new-commers to the sport) have never had the chance to hunt behind a TRUE powerhouse, so opinions of "finished" can vary greatly. There is 3 famous quotes, and agree 110% for all of them |
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"If the dog won't leave and go look, I'm not wasting my time." Quoted by Bryant.
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Some very sound advice and opinions have already been shared here.
I just want to reinforce "give the dogs more time" since you have already bought and paid for them.
It definitely takes some dogs longer to accept a new master, alpha dog, owner, handler, or what ever you want to call yourself but eventually they will come around and start hunting like the did with their former owners. It may even take months for some dogs due to temperament and trust issues.
When they do come around I just hope its what you thought you were buying to begin with.
If not I guess you can put it in your "lessons learned journal" if the guy wont buy the dogs back.
Ive never bought a "finished dog" personally (cant afford what I would consider a finished dog!) but if I did it would be after I had seen him hunt with his former owner. That's the only way to see how the dog will eventually start hunting for you.
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Chris, Bryant, Richard, and a bunch more have given you some good advice.
Don't buy dogs out of the want ads if you don't know the people.
Hunt behind the dog and if you like it buy with the agreement that if doesn't work can bring it back. No trail just a mans word that if in a period of time doesn't work for you, you can bring back and get your money.
I can never get a dog fnished any more because some one is waiting to buy a good started dog that they have seem hunt.
Have some old ones but they aren't for sale.
Like Chris said the cheapest thing, instead of buying pups, is to buy a GOOD started dog, you have seen hunt, give it some time to get use to you and your pack of dogs and have a little patiances and watch it work out.
Also style of hunting makes a differents, walk, 4-wheeler, rodeing, and casting.
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