Difference between holding and (wrastling)

[Izz]

Im trying to think of a perfect way to word this but Ill get strait to it. Yes i completely understand a cd is a cd yes and as long as it catches everyone is happy about it. but i have also been noticing diferent ways and traits of a cd. In no means am i an expert dogger just trying to get diferent point of views and aspects of some real life situations.  I have noticed that on some cd's there is diferent ways of it catching. Not where it catches but as to how. So far from what i have experienced is bothsides. i have been around a cd that when you cut loose its goes in to the bay and catches and completely just tears up a hog. Literally just goes in and it shakes shakes shakes shakes til you arrive to the bay and just see nothing but pieces. For instance if its a big nasty boar hog with 3-4" cuters and the cd goes in and takes the ears out and your still good way from a bay now the dog has to work twice as hard from what he just did. Now i have also been around a cd that when you cut loose he goes in and catches CLEANLY and his intentions are mainly focused on actually holding a pig and anchoring it instead of "wrestlin" with it and tearin it up. In no way is he trying to tear it up at all but just hold it there. Ive experienced both situations and me personally id prefer one that can hold it firmly til i get there. And as i mentioned before yes i know everyone prefers one that can catch but what it boils down to is which one would you prefer.  Ive noticed these certain traits on certain breeds and I could get deep into it and discuss breeds but i DO NOT want to start an argument what so ever. But other than that i just want to see some diferent point of views of your experiences and expectations with cd's

[Izz]

By me calling it "wrestlin" yal know what i mean, i dont want to call it that certain word cause the proper terminology is HUNTING.

[BA-IV]

A catchdog's job is to run in there and catch and HOLD the hog. Some dogs have a natural holding style that really makes it look easy, others have to learn, but anything other then holding and you have yourself a cull on your hands.

There's more to a Catchdog then just catching, some actually use their brain when catching a hog.

[BOBDOG]

Head shaking is the way a dog inflicts more damage in a fight or breaks the back of small game. The amount of head shake and there fore the lack of it is largely genetic. In training bite dogs (man) I have found I can build a head shake or a calmer grip to a certain degree. I had a rcd many years ago that would catch a 300 pounder or a 20 pounder and barely leave a mark on either. I had another that if I did not get there fast enough she would have both ears gone and have it by the back of the neck.

[Lance]

I want one to catch and hold and not get any rougher than they have to to hold the hog. I sell the big hogs that I catch to game ranches and they will not buy them if their ears are all tore up. I will not have a CD that pulls and shakes their head trying to rip the ear off.

[reatj81]

Catch hard and hold firm.   Brains is a way bigger deal than most realize in a good catch dog.   Brains, style, finesse, holding style, handle, trusting them.  lots of variables, to make a really good catch dog.   To me the rite catch dog is as valuable as the rite bay dog.

[halfbreed]

hell what you described in your first scenerio was nothing but a train wreck waiting to happen  .  a catch dog is just that.  catch ahold and be nothing more than an anchor on that hog . it should go in make one bite close it's eyes and wait for me to get there . it shound not shake it's head or try to re-grip the hold . i wouldn't use a dog that went in fighting and trying to kill the hog . in fact it would sceer me to have my good dogs around a dog like that .lol  but in all seriousness a catch dog is just that ,  catch [ not try to kill ] , the hog should have no more than a pierced ear or two at the most and still be in markretable shape after the catch . i've seen some of the pictures posted of hogs that their heads looked liked they had been in a meat grinder and all i can say is wow .

[Izz]

Man halfbreed you pretty much just worded it the way i was trying to explain it earlier. Lol
That ive seen some dogs go in on a hog and its more as if its fighting instead of just tryin to hold it. And there is a difference you can pretty much tell once you break the dogs off and compare pigs. But yeah ive seen it alot on some of the gamey ones. They go in with tunnel vision and strait to devour

[SwampHunter]

I have a stag he will catch an hold an not try to man handle the hog he just holds it enough to keep it from gettin away , but he will not let go but kind of walks around with the hog goin in circles , this is on big hogs , on little ones he shakes them

My pit catches an stands his ground an trys to hold the hog still , but doesn't shake his head unless it's a little hog

I believe it depends on dog an if you start them on little hogs that they can shake they will get in the habit of doing that , I donno for sure though
I would rather a dog stand an hold an not be shaking tearing the ears an heads up

[Mike]

Halfbreed, most of them chewed up hog pics are from all these ruff a$$ cur dogs folks are running.

[halfbreed]

ha ha hell i know that i ran ruff curs for seven years before i owned a catch dog . and they caught and held like bulldogs one on each ear and one on a back leg with the plott just baying and the hogs still looked good . but i agree most the dogs that get hunted are runnin around trying to kill every hog in the country not catch em lol

[BOBDOG]

Sounds like it must be hard to find these days, but to me a good "rough" cur dog was ether bayed or caught. And I mean caught. Not bite and let go/bay busters.

[hogdogger98]

I hunt a ybmc and a redbone pit cross, I don't néed a catch dog but if you don't get to the bay quick there want be any ears left! I would rather no ears than these dang running hogs though!

[Reuben]

some of them 1/2 or 1/4 pit and cur like to rip off the ears...

[TexasHogDogs]

What folks I guess dont understand in the bulldog world there is different bloodlines for different styles.  You get the right bloodline and you will get a pure head  dog which will hit noting but the ears.  There are some that fight the head and ears shake what ever you want to call it  and there are some that hold the ears and head n a defensive postion which is what every body on here seems to want.

With that said the bulldogs that are being sold now a days are so scatter bred and so mixed up with bloodlines so weak  its just a crap shoot if you get a really good bulldog to hold the ears and head.  Thats why it is so hard to find a really good one.

I got a couple of young dogs coming from these lines that a person needs to hold the head ears and not fight the ears and head that is the difference .  Over the next couple of years Am going to mess with these dogs and see if I can get some just pure holding type dogs out of these dogs coming.

You want dogs that hit hard lock down and hold the hog not one that fights the hog .  Stop and think about what these dogs were bred for and then you will understand why the biggest part of them do what they do .  Like I said certain lines is were it is at.

[Scott]

What folks I guess dont understand in the bulldog world there is different bloodlines for different styles.  You get the right bloodline and you will get a pure head  dog which will hit noting but the ears.  There are some that fight the head and ears shake what ever you want to call it  and there are some that hold the ears and head n a defensive postion which is what every body on here seems to want.

With that said the bulldogs that are being sold now a days are so scatter bred and so mixed up with bloodlines so weak  its just a crap shoot if you get a really good bulldog to hold the ears and head.  Thats why it is so hard to find a really good one.

I got a couple of young dogs coming from these lines that a person needs to hold the head ears and not fight the ears and head that is the difference .  Over the next couple of years Am going to mess with these dogs and see if I can get some just pure holding type dogs out of these dogs coming.

You want dogs that hit hard lock down and hold the hog not one that fights the hog .  Stop and think about what these dogs were bred for and then you will understand why the biggest part of them do what they do .  Like I said certain lines is were it is at.

And I'llbet you can find a bunch of those holders free at the pound

[TexasHogDogs]

Aint that were most come from these days ?  LOL

[Reuben]

any cur or catch dog that tries to kill a big boar is wasting valuable energy...

[Hamilton_hogger]

My best catch dog had 3 legs and weighed 70#'s just for ths simple fact when he caught he usually lost his balance and his azs end would just fall therfore makin him like an anchor.  But he never shook or let go until i would "tell him" too.  R.i.p crunk due to heatstroke.

[SCHitemHard]

Halfbreed, most of them chewed up hog pics are from all these ruff a$$ cur dogs folks are running.

mike i think the correct term is catahoula  

i liked mine to be head hitters