Few thoughts on the cow dog/hog dog correlation....

[ninja]

I tested my first litter of florida cur cow dogs when scott (realdogs) came down and bought a few pups from me.  At 3 months old we took them to a pen full of shoats, put them in the pen and they went to catching.  Scott took two pups and said both made excellent hog dogs in texas, one was killed and one is TJ, still alive.  I sold the rest of that litter and all made dogs.  I went back and got a few more of the same cross.  The cowboy told me he used his dogs to find cattle in the woods and bring them out.  He said they were too gritty, one has 3 legs, most are pretty banged up.  The male and female I have now are straight up strike dogs that will shut a hog down and not even a year old yet.  They have a great nose and will track and wind and roll out deep.  They are real smart.  You can see crackerc hunts the partin line and his monkey dog is a real hog dog.  The cowboys move the cows in a group and when one breaks and runs the dogs bring it back. A lot of these make great hog dogs.  I'm mainly focusing on the lines that are used to hunt woods cows in the woods.  I promise you I can take any dog that will find a cow in the woods and either bay it or catch it and turn that dog into a hog dog every time.  You can ask scott aka realdogs what kind of dog TJ is on those texas hogs.  A lot of the cowboys use catahoulas and blackmouths on cows too and a lot of them will make good hog dogs.  I'm not talking about a bay pen dog.  I wouldn't feed one of those. 

[WestTexasCurs]

I dont like a rough dog on cows,or hogs.And the country you hunt,and where Scott hunts is a world away from where I am.

[cward]

I don"t like my cow dogs rough nor my hog dogs I have a few that get alittle rougher than others.I like my dogs to get rough on comand but I can't stand mine to chew cow or hog.mine are more rangey on hogs than they are on cows when they relize that I am working cattle than they get real rangey to find a cow have had to use tracking systems to find them.But like Mr parker likes his black and brindle dogs he get rid of all his red and yellows!I have a lot of blacks,brindles,black with brindle legs black and tans yellow,reds.I keep any of them not just color my dogs have litters will be half black and half yellows.Same blood just differnt colors.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

[Pecos21]

Sweet Pics Silverton!!! 

[cward]

Nice pic!

[lightningh]

cool pics! 

[shawn]

those are some badass pics silverton

[parker]

it all  in  where  you  hunt  how  you  hunt ......you fella's  that hunt  both cattle and hogs  want dogs that will  go both  ways .... so the  medium  between the  two  suits  you fella's  best ..and  that  usually  dogs  with  not  quite the  range  as  what  i  hunt ...when  i  put a  dog  down  sometimes  i don't  see that  dog  for a  couple  hours ... alot  of  the hog hunters  i sell  dogs too  drive  around  during the  day   looking  for  tracks ....  i mean  alot  of  us  want  even put  down  on  sow  and  pig  sign ....we  will check  wallows  or  feeders  or where  we  may  have  put  some oil  on  some  highline  poles ......we  cut boars  so  in the winter  we  are  looking  for  barrhogs ...... basically  looking  for a  big track  to  put  on ...  we  need  a  cur  that hunts  like a  hound but  silent ......not  all  of  my  dogs  hunt  like  that  i   hunt  some  from  a  boat ....some  i  cast  in the   river  bottom ......then  i  single  hunt  my  track  dogs .....one  dog  down  on  a  track ....one  of  the  main  things  is  look  at  what  you  have  to  hunt and  hunt that  dog the  way  he  or  she  hunts the  best  and  the  dog  will look like  a million  dollars ....... nice  looking  dogs  silverton ... it  would  be  hard  for  me  to  bay  4  of mine  they'd  get  ruff .....i keep  just the  black  and  brindle  cause  of breeding......the best dog i have  ever  owned was my blackie dog ....he was a sure  nuff track dog .....and  i like  anything that looks  like  him ..... color  is  the  first  indication  of  what the pup  is  from .....anything that throws  litter  and c an produce from different fathers at the  same  litter ...or  have  throw backs generations  back ....so  i stick  with  what  i know...


 

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Parker, thats why I put up that pic with 4 dogs holding a single, the rest of the herd is behind that cow. Those dogs are trained not to get rough with a cow that has not left the herd (handle). I do not want a dog to bite a cow that is looking at them, back up and bay. If she breaks and runs those four will hang off her head untill she gets back to the herd or they will catch and hold her untill I can get her caught.

We catch alot of mavric cattle in this part of Texas, big pastures here. My favorite dogs for working big country are Catahoula/ Plott cross dogs. They are long range dogs that stay hooked but are smart about holding cattle or hogs. I think the thing to remember is that we don't have any "pet" cattle out here, they are often harder to find and hold than the hogs. So our dogs that go both ways are just as you have described your hunting dogs, just with a little more handle.

[got2catchem]

I think I will just stick to pouring out a sack of cubes in the catch pen and blowing the horn a couple times...

[lightningh]

Parker, thats why I put up that pic with 4 dogs holding a single, the rest of the herd is behind that cow. Those dogs are trained not to get rough with a cow that has not left the herd (handle). I do not want a dog to bite a cow that is looking at them, back up and bay. If she breaks and runs those four will hang off her head untill she gets back to the herd or they will catch and hold her untill I can get her caught.

We catch alot of mavric cattle in this part of Texas, big pastures here. My favorite dogs for working big country are Catahoula/ Plott cross dogs. They are long range dogs that stay hooked but are smart about holding cattle or hogs. I think the thing to remember is that we don't have any "pet" cattle out here, they are often harder to find and hold than the hogs. So our dogs that go both ways are just as you have described your hunting dogs, just with a little more handle.

I sure wish i would have had one of those kind this weekend. it woudl have made it easier for sure! it tured out pretty good and we got em caught but i definately see the need for a good gritty bay dog! 

[Pecos21]

Parker, thats why I put up that pic with 4 dogs holding a single, the rest of the herd is behind that cow. Those dogs are trained not to get rough with a cow that has not left the herd (handle). I do not want a dog to bite a cow that is looking at them, back up and bay. If she breaks and runs those four will hang off her head untill she gets back to the herd or they will catch and hold her untill I can get her caught.

We catch alot of mavric cattle in this part of Texas, big pastures here. My favorite dogs for working big country are Catahoula/ Plott cross dogs. They are long range dogs that stay hooked but are smart about holding cattle or hogs. I think the thing to remember is that we don't have any "pet" cattle out here, they are often harder to find and hold than the hogs. So our dogs that go both ways are just as you have described your hunting dogs, just with a little more handle.

That is the type cattle we caught in the swamps  of Florida and mountain ridges of North Georgia.....the thing is...if they came to range cubes and a truck horn....they wouldn't have called us.....

[parker]

silverton  the  dogs  you  describe  being  part  hound  is  not   your  typical  cowdogs  most people  raise ......  you  know  i  used  to  ride  some  with a  friedn  of  mine ...and  it  was a  fence  buster  here  and  there  he  was  called  to  catch ......i  told  him if i was  you  i'd  have  me a  plott that  woul d track  a   cold  cow  trail  put him  on the  track  and  listen  til  he  gets  it  worke d up  then  send  the  curdogs .....we  was  always  getting  on  someone  elses  cattle  with the  cur's ..... there's  no  doubt  its  hard  to  get  anything  with  more  stick  than a  hound  or  hound  cross  ........ also  i like  the hardness  of  some  of  the  birddog  breeds ....... mountain  curs  have  hound  type  traits  in  some  of  the  old  stocks  that  why  i like  em .......also  handle  here  hoghunting  don't  mean  much  to  us ....we  gonna  walk  up  and  put a bulldog  on thehog  most  of  the time  and  catch  the  dog  off  .......another  thing myself  i like  handle  to  come  last  as  i  am  hunting the  dog .... to  much handle  on the  start hinder's a  dog  you need  to  really get  out  and  go ....... mind  you  we  drop hunt  off  4  wheelers  or trucks ... so the  dogs have  to leave  hunt and  come  back  to  us  if  they  don't  bay ...... my  training  is   different than most  i  have a  300  acre  hog  pasture  to  train in  so  not  being able  to catch  one  on the start  really  doesn't  bother  me  .....they get hungry a nd  realize  to load  at the  gate hahahaha .....

[cward]

Mr Parker the reason I went to your sight awhile back is because I have alot of black dogs to I have been breeding dog for 17 years.A friend of mine told me you have alot of black dogs it enterest me of where the black came from on my dogs I know a lot of history on my dogs but it goes back futher than I can get so when people are breeding black dogs it brings the question were did yours come from and how did they start.This is a black gyp of mine and I have a littermate to her that is yellow blackmouth. they are out of 2 yellow dogs but I have several blacks . 

[WestTexasCurs]

Paul, those are some cool pictures.The guys that catch cattle down here are using the same type dog you are.They use them both ways,with good success.       Chance,that black dog is sure pretty.I know it must be a goodun to be around your place.Thanks for the pictures fellers.

[Eric]

Its amazing the lack of respect given to cow dogs in this post. They find and hold animals 3-4 times the size of an average hog and have 10 times the handle.

[WestTexasCurs]

Eric,I think you are a way off base.I dont think anyone is disrespecting cowdogs.I know I sure aint,dont think anyone has.

[cward]

everyone has there opioin on what a good dog is some like hounds some like curs some like ugly dogs lol but I think this was a great thread mine go bothways and I like my dogs and catch lots of hogs with them maybe I just stumble up on them but I'm catching them.If your catching hogs when there are hogs to be found you must have atleast a decent dog.

[parker]

 i've  seen  some  good  cowdogs .......to  me a  cowdog  is a  working  animal ......  they say  lois  ross  can  call  his  off  by  name  and send  em  back  by  name  ...... penning  cattle  in the  bad  hot  summer    you  can  loose  some  good dogs  if  you  don't  have  a handle  on  em ..... need  to  be  able  to  call  em  off  and  let  em  water ....the hogdogs  i  hunt  is  hunt  bred dogs ..kinda  like a  coon  dog turn  him  or  her  loose  and  if  they'll  go  find me a  hog  i'll  find  them  hahahhaha .... i  sure  hope  i  haven't  made  anyone mad  if i did  it  surely  wasn't  my  intension .....i  just know  what i like  in a  dog  witch  varies  depending  on how  i am  hunting at the  time ...... and  i sure respect  what  someone  else  likes .....

cward  that sure  is a  nice  looking gyp ......she  is  what  i like  for looks in a  dog .....i  really  like  her  head .......