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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2012, 06:15:20 pm » |
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lol been a many through the front door and rite out the back lol if a woman ask my dog to move over so she can sit down , she's culled on the spot !!! nuttin personal ladies but good dogs is hard to come by  |
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« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2012, 08:41:47 pm » |
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That's the Halfbreed I know and love!!! Haha
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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2012, 12:40:12 pm » |
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To many variables to answer that question intelligently. What kind of dogs do you run? What's the terrain like? Do the hogs bay or run? Do you lead in or run rcd's? This topic has been covered many times. You tell me you dont have help dogs in your yard I respectfully say your definition of a help dog is different than mine.
What's your definition of a help dog? As far back as I can remember it hasn't changed any? I don't have any help dogs in my yard. I expect every one of mine to be able to find and bay a hog. They will honor each other's bay and join in a race... but they won't quit their own hog to do so. If a young dog doesn't make the grade around here, it gets culled. |
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« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2012, 02:26:38 pm » |
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To many variables to answer that question intelligently. What kind of dogs do you run? What's the terrain like? Do the hogs bay or run? Do you lead in or run rcd's? This topic has been covered many times. You tell me you dont have help dogs in your yard I respectfully say your definition of a help dog is different than mine.
What's your definition of a help dog? As far back as I can remember it hasn't changed any? I don't have any help dogs in my yard. I expect every one of mine to be able to find and bay a hog. They will honor each other's bay and join in a race... but they won't quit their own hog to do so. If a young dog doesn't make the grade around here, it gets culled. Sigh....just one question. Does your yard rotate strike duty? Meaning, do your main hunting dogs have exactly the same amount of strikes under their belt? If you can say yes then you have an amazing line of dogs and I envy you. If you answer no then you have help dogs in your yard. I'm not talkin bout up and comers. I'm just assuming you have a main strike dog. One that gets the job done over and over. I would also assume you hunt with him at least one dog that is more than 2 years old, maybe two. These dogs have probably struck their own hogs but more often than not its your number one that strikes. That's the nature of a pack. Nothing wrong with it, that's just what happens. My definition of a help dog is simple. If the dog is not your number one he is a help dog. |
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« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2012, 02:34:44 pm » |
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And just to clarify... Again, nothing wrong with (my definition) a help dog. Your help dog could be someone else's number one. That's just the way I see it. EVERYONE has help dogs. Lol
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« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2012, 02:35:00 pm » |
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Well, I guess your idea of a help dog is different from mine and every other hog hunter I've ever known.
While all my dogs will "help" each other... they are all capable of doing it by themselves.
Most hunters have always considered a help dog one that is sent to a bay or race... a dog with no hunt or finding ability to it.
In other words a cull...
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« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2012, 02:46:48 pm » |
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So...this "help" dog responds to barking, goes to a bay and "helps" hold the hog in place or maybe even "helps" catch. This "help" dog is maybe relayed on a runner, a chase. He "helps" when your trying to keep dogs fresh. Yep, sounds like a cull to me.
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« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2012, 02:58:53 pm » |
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I also understand all your dogs getting it done on their own. That's perfect and what we all strive for but that being said.... Don't you have a couple that "help" more than they strike?
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« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2012, 03:30:44 pm » |
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If you ever wonder if they are just help dogs leave the others at home and see if they can still get it done! If so then they are not help dogs!
So if I read this rite when I take my two older dogs that find hogs on a regular basis, and put another dog with them and he finds hogs faster than they do, you are saying the older two are just help dogs?
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« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2012, 03:37:05 pm » |
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So...this "help" dog responds to barking, goes to a bay and "helps" hold the hog in place or maybe even "helps" catch. This "help" dog is maybe relayed on a runner, a chase. He "helps" when your trying to keep dogs fresh. Yep, sounds like a cull to me.
It sure does. If it can't start a hog by itself, I have no use for it. A hog dog doesn't need help. What do you if you have a yard full of help dogs and your find dog, or dogs, are put out of commission? |
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« Reply #30 on: September 18, 2012, 03:38:58 pm » |
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I also understand all your dogs getting it done on their own. That's perfect and what we all strive for but that being said.... Don't you have a couple that "help" more than they strike?
Sure, there's always gonna be better dogs that out perform the others... but the others can get it done also. |
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« Reply #31 on: September 18, 2012, 03:40:21 pm » |
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After 1 hunt? No, of course not. I'm saying if you run the same four dogs on every hunt. 1 dog will strike the hogs the majority of the time. If your really lucky you may have a dog come in a close second. Your other two dogs are probably going to have numbers that are ALOT lower. I would consider these two dogs help dogs. Again, doesn't mean they are bad dogs, culls. Just means they primarily fall into a help or support roll. Heck, put these dogs in someone else's pack and they may become the number one.
I just don't differentiate between the type of dog mentioned above and a three year old that has never struck his/her own hog but is there at every bay. That's just me.
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« Reply #32 on: September 18, 2012, 03:43:09 pm » |
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It sure does. If it can't start a hog by itself, I have no use for it. A hog dog doesn't need help.
What do you if you have a yard full of help dogs and your find dog, or dogs, are put out of commission?
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Puts a add on dog trade (lost strike doge last nite need one by tomorrow no bs & I'm not going to pay over $400 for one! I no what a good is & what they are worth!) 3 days later another add (bought a strike dog yesterday took him home & he won't bay in a pen) Lol
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« Reply #33 on: September 18, 2012, 03:50:04 pm » |
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No one strives for a yard full of help dogs. Come on man. You work with what you have until you get that perfect line. Im kind of bored with the subject now so I'll just say this....
I will always have "help" dogs in my yard. If you were honest with yourself you would say the same. The thing about it is, if you do your job (breeding wise) the quality of your "help" dogs goes up after every breeding.
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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2012, 04:08:35 pm » |
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Where I Hunt one dog can't stop a hog and they are mighty fine dogs if 2 can do it
I also like a help dog because if they are all strike dogs then they will spread out and go different ways and will take longer to get to each other Myself I like to keep 5 dogs on the ground
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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2012, 06:06:32 pm » |
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Where I Hunt one dog can't stop a hog and they are mighty fine dogs if 2 can do it
I also like a help dog because if they are all strike dogs then they will spread out and go different ways and will take longer to get to each other Myself I like to keep 5 dogs on the ground
What is the help dog doing that the strike dog is not?? How is more dogs stopping the hog where the one isn't?? |
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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2012, 06:36:32 pm » |
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Where I Hunt one dog can't stop a hog and they are mighty fine dogs if 2 can do it
I also like a help dog because if they are all strike dogs then they will spread out and go different ways and will take longer to get to each other Myself I like to keep 5 dogs on the ground
More dogs doesn't mean more hogs stopped. It doesn't take a awesome dog to get it done by itself, just a HOG DOG! |
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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2012, 07:37:13 pm » |
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well thats how i see it to. we hunt places thats been hunted over 100 years,and we get more hogs with 3 or 4 dogs that each are on its own hog. if it's not the dog will go to another with the dog thats bayed, but the dogs that didn,t find the hog is not at our feet waiting for 1 dog to do all the work. thats a no, no around this camp. if its bayed with 1 dog y send 4 more thats what makes a hog run,and if a hog wants to run its going to. you just have to have a dog that will stay in the race.
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« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2012, 10:04:18 pm » |
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All of ours are runners and I have never seen a dog that can stop our pigs by itself
And a help dog is there quick while another strike dog is still out looking for it's own hog
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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2012, 10:15:40 pm » |
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All of ours are runners and I have never seen a dog that can stop our pigs by itself
And a help dog is there quick while another strike dog is still out looking for it's own hog
Do you think the dogs are actually stopping the hog or the hog is just tired of running? It sounds like one dog doesn't have enough bottom by theirself, alot of times one dog will push another dog to take it further if they don't have alot of bottom. Once again though if the dogs a hog dog, it should take one! I probably hunt different country then you do though. |
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