BOTTOM

[Randy_P]

With Mikes post going I noticed a few guys associating dogs with lots of bottom not being able to hunt large tracts of land.   I agree to some degree that a dog with LOTS of bottom may get off a large tract of land BUT how many times have we seen hogs that run 0-200 yards back and forth through a cut over, briar patch, swamp, etc??? 

Soo... What is everyone elses perspective on a dog with BOTTOM??

[halfbreed]

well they better have it to get fed around here  .  i got no quit in me and i expect  the same from my dogs  .

[cward]

Find bay and stay. Enough said.

[Peachcreek]

around here they had better have some bottom or you wont catch many with all their legs.

[M Bennet]

i guess 11 1/2 hrs and 25 miles is plenty of bottom for me , they ran there pads off there feet , and all that happen in a dam high fence. but out hunting in the open , i dont want mine going over a mile . are hogs dont run to bad up here . if they cant stop one come back and will go again. dont want to spend all my time running one hog all night. but some times they do it, most of the time we catch them under 500 yrds off the hood with rough dogs

[Hog_Hunter_57]

I personally like rough dogs so bottom only depends until the second one gets there and its caught. No i think all dogs need to have bottom.

[drew]

I live here in Oklahoma we have hogs where I hunt not a hole lot and
An the ones we have all seem to wear Nike's these pigs are hunted a lot it s
By a lot people. I don't mind it we catch are fare share but bottom to me is
One that will keep going an put a hog at the end of the trail I catch my self a lot of the times
Ready to go home cuz. I'm tired wife's calling but my dog wont come to me because he has
Caught his pig. Lol I guess bottom to me is when your at the last spot to hunt at four in the morning
An your buddy says ke :'(ep your dogs held up lets see if we can catch one that come to the truck an lay down so I can hobble it bottom is a must around these parts an stoping. Power because what's the use of all the bottom in the world if you dog can't stop. A pig

[easttexasoutlaw33]

bottom is a must around these parts an stoping. Power because what's the use of all the bottom in the world if you dog can't stop. A pig

why do you need bottom if your dog has all this stopping power to keep them from breaking? To me bottom is for the hogs that just flat wont stop unless you have rough dogs that just catch it as soon as it is struck

[drew]

Like I said the hogs around hear have been hunted by every Tom dick an Harry
So after this happens hogs tend to figure out what is all about. So rough dogs yes they work
But your not going to catch them all this is where bottom comes in to play

[brandeek1]

I'm confused. If you have a rough dog that will catch when he finds one, he don't have to have a whole lot of bottom. He might have to run a little ways to catch up but then race is over. My dogs better put teeth on his rear and shut him down.  I'm not chasing my dogs all over after one pig. If they can't put teeth on it fairly quickly then they better find another one. We don't keep dogs like the ones you are describing on here. Land not an issue. We have close to 30,000 acres we hunt exclusively. I don't want to b out all night chasing one pig when we could've had 5-6.

[Randy_P]

I'm confused. If you have a rough dog that will catch when he finds one, he don't have to have a whole lot of bottom. He might have to run a little ways to catch up but then race is over. My dogs better put teeth on his rear and shut him down.  I'm not chasing my dogs all over after one pig. If they can't put teeth on it fairly quickly then they better find another one. We don't keep dogs like the ones you are describing on here. Land not an issue. We have close to 30,000 acres we hunt exclusively. I don't want to b out all night chasing one pig when we could've had 5-6.

So how do your dogs know which ones to chase and pursue and which ones to pull off of in order to catch the 5-6 others "easier" hogs??
If the dogs cant catch up to them it doesnt matter how much the dog wants to put teeth into the hog, its just not gonna happen... 

[Peachcreek]

I guess i would have to see one of those type of dogs that can just run in and catch or sit the hog down. I dont think it can be done. The hogs around here will be at full run as soon as they hear the dogs coming. Running a hog down and stoppin it just flat out aint gonna happen unless the hog is crippled. This is in the woods i hunt.... So dont get wadded up!!

[drew]

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[sdillard]

I guess i would have to see one of those type of dogs that can just run in and catch or sit the hog down. I dont think it can be done. The hogs around here will be at full run as soon as they hear the dogs coming. Running a hog down and stoppin it just flat out aint gonna happen unless the hog is crippled. This is in the woods i hunt.... So dont get wadded up!!

Peach u have never seen a dog catch up with a running hog and shut it down? I know these hogs run like crazy around where i hunt and we dont catch all the the hogs we start but we do SHUT DOWN alot of hogs.

[bigo]

Bottom is the desire to complete a task at all cost, even their own life. I had rather train a dog to call off than breed quit into them. A dog that will quit you in a bind has little use, whether its working cows, hunting hogs, or whatever the job is. A lady named Vicky Lamb wrote a book about traing hounds that will show you step by step how to train a dog to call off at any time.

[easttexasoutlaw33]

I guess i would have to see one of those type of dogs that can just run in and catch or sit the hog down. I dont think it can be done. The hogs around here will be at full run as soon as they hear the dogs coming. Running a hog down and stoppin it just flat out aint gonna happen unless the hog is crippled. This is in the woods i hunt.... So dont get wadded up!!

I got one whenever your ready to come watch let me know. The problem is i only got one. He 75lb male Cat and has no bark on anything 175 and down finds and catches the end. But bays anything bigger. But it all depends on the hog as well

[t.wilbanks]

I guess i would have to see one of those type of dogs that can just run in and catch or sit the hog down. I dont think it can be done. The hogs around here will be at full run as soon as they hear the dogs coming. Running a hog down and stoppin it just flat out aint gonna happen unless the hog is crippled. This is in the woods i hunt.... So dont get wadded up!!

I got one whenever your ready to come watch let me know. The problem is i only got one. He 75lb male Cat and has no bark on anything 175 and down finds and catches the end. But bays anything bigger. But it all depends on the hog as well

Waterwood parkway in oakhurst tx. 12,500 acres of track stars. No not directly but you did say that if it can find stop and bay its own alone it is a cull so my dogs cant stop them alone except my RCD that makes them culls in your book doesnt it  . I know they arent culls because i take them other places and find hogs all the time Caught 3 in livingston in 4 hrs with a buddy. They just dont stop running at my place and i have never seen 1 dog alone able to stop and bring to bay long enough to get a catch dog to them unless they are like my Cat male and just catch it alone. Thats what i was saying

If your cat was a run in and sit them down type dog, why cant he stop the runners on this spot??

Sounds to me ( and I'm just guessing ) that he is catching the ones under 175 that don't run, but if one runs he can't stop it...

[BIG BEN]

to me bottom is the desire to complete the job at hand. Some have it some dont

[rdjustham]

me and my buddies run rough dogs, and (knock on wood) we dont get out run much.  Our dogs usually shut them down pretty quick.  Most of the places around here are smaller so a long range dog doesnt serve me any purpose.

[RyanTBH]

I like how Blakebh says it...

If the hog doesn't want to stop it's not going to... When that hog stops it because it felt the need to stop and fight... Fight or flight gentlemen! Fight or flight!