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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2012, 03:46:57 pm » |
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I like how Blakebh says it...
If the hog doesn't want to stop it's not going to... When that hog stops it because it felt the need to stop and fight... Fight or flight gentlemen! Fight or flight!
There is a reason they decide to stop thats bc they r tired of their rear end being torn up, its not just bc they decided to fight. Most of the time if a hog is goin to run he runs until he looses the dogs or he has no other choices but to stop and fight. |
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Work on em son, work on em
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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2012, 03:54:47 pm » |
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If they cannot stop them they better run their pads off trying!
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Reuben
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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2012, 05:18:06 pm » |
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I like lots of bottom as needed...but prefer dogs that will stop the hog at the first good opportunity...catch and release to keep him there...this type of dog takes care to stay clear of the ivory...once in a while when the dogs are fresh and wind one out of the box they might throw caution to the wind...a few of these episodes and now as a result from that my dogs leave home ready to hunt...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
A hunting dog is born not made...
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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2012, 05:49:55 pm » |
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A dog should never get beat across an open flat or pasture. A hog can not run wide open very long at all. I want a dog hitting one in the a$$ every chance it gets and I want them to stay with them as long as it take to hit them. Both these hogs were sitting down hiding their jewels, not running.   |
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Reuben
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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2012, 05:53:56 pm » |
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I love to see a hog sitting on his jewelry...because I know what it takes to make one sit down...   |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2012, 05:58:40 pm » |
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some folks don't believe in a bay pen but a pup that is inclined to work the back end learns way faster by practicing in the bay pen...not only that but the confidence level goes up and the pup learns when to apply the pressure to try and shut the hog down...lots of kemmers have this trait...
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2012, 06:31:09 pm » |
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I do not want my dogs working the back end of a hog at all, I want them to get ahead, square up and stop them at the head of the hog like a stock dog should.
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hunt em hard, give em no excuses, and cull harder!!!!!
"Rather have a sister in a whore house than spots on a dog"
"Pretty is as pretty does"- BigO
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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2012, 06:45:18 pm » |
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I do not want my dogs working the back end of a hog at all, I want them to get ahead, square up and stop them at the head of the hog like a stock dog should.
I always felt like the dog couldn't get to the front end when at a hard run and through the thick brush...I like to see the dog grab the back end and sit down like a good roping horse does...then let go and catch an ear and work the front end...but a lot of good kemmers when working alone will work the front end and as the hog tires circle to the back and start catching the back end...not saying it is the best way but it works... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2012, 08:03:39 pm » |
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Big Ben, id like to see your dogs stop a hog like that. Where are you from?
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2012, 08:24:52 pm » |
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I do not want my dogs working the back end of a hog at all, I want them to get ahead, square up and stop them at the head of the hog like a stock dog should.
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Catchin hogs cracker style
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2012, 09:27:19 pm » |
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If your cat was a run in and sit them down type dog, why cant he stop the runners on this spot?? Sounds to me ( and I'm just guessing ) that he is catching the ones under 175 that don't run, but if one runs he can't stop it... [/quote] Dont take him there alot to rough alot ogf big boars with teeth and everytime he seems to get cut LOL. Your guess would be wrong because i watch my other dogs start a hog and run it a while then when he gets to them from what he is doing on his own the show stops so they run on my other dogs and he stops them. If you read the quote it says unless they are like my male cat.  |
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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2012, 05:36:25 am » |
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Big Ben, id like to see your dogs stop a hog like that. Where are you from?
Athens area. Do yall think that the dog at the head of the hog is the one that makes him run or the dog that is chewing on his ass? |
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hunt em hard, give em no excuses, and cull harder!!!!!
"Rather have a sister in a whore house than spots on a dog"
"Pretty is as pretty does"- BigO
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« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2012, 05:51:53 am » |
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if a hog is sitting on his nuts he isn't going to run...but if the dog is a nipper he probably will break...I have seen good back end dogs but they work the front end and only grab the back end when the hog breaks and stop the hog and then go to the front end...some of these dogs stay on the front end and will circle to the back end when the hog is wore down and start to work on the back end...the females in the kemmer breed tend to do this more so than the males...males grab the back end and then move to the front...but all these dogs will grab an ear and sit down...
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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2012, 07:49:02 am » |
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Reuben how early do these kemmer pups start huntin? Sorry for the sidetrack just curious
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2012, 09:13:08 am » |
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Chewing isn't the word I'd use but if a hog is running I want my dogs to bite it. Most hogs will either turn to fight or sit down. If it ain't running I don't want my dogs putting their mouth on it.
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« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2012, 02:38:02 pm » |
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up here in missouri bottom is every thing with large tracks of hardwoods , steep mountains and thick under growth bottom to me has alot to do with how hard the dog wants to find hogs for you. my strike dog is a cat x plott an there is know quit to him you can run him in front of a truck all day an when he strikes you better bring want your going to need for the rest of the day cause hell roll out on every hog in the group an this is wear the human body better have bottom to. ive taped out a few times on a dog with lots of bottom up here if you catch 5 or so hogs in a day up here you will be wanting to catch that dog .
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Reuben
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« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2012, 05:46:20 pm » |
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Reuben how early do these kemmer pups start huntin? Sorry for the sidetrack just curious
Peachcreek the ones I used to raise the majority started hunting at 6 months but mainly running with the big dogs and at 10 months some were pretty good but by 12 months most were striking pretty good...at 1.5 years all were good hog dogs...when I say all I mean all the pups I kept... But a good kemmer is hard to come by...that is why I always breed my own dogs because I have high expectations and I don't really like pure kemmer...no more than 1/2 for me...I like large fast tracking OMCBA with no more than 1/4 to 1/2 kemmer and a touch of stock dog in there and then breed from that mix... buddy of my had a pure kemmer gyp that was hell on wheels in the bay pen at 3 months old and was striking and running with some good dogs by 6 months old and was striking as well as his best dogs by 9 months old...she was squirrel champion bred... I bred for early starters and dogs that could find easily and had a good winding nose as well as testing for range...the pups I have now don't test as well as what I used to raise...they are 1/2 parker 1/2 kemmer... |
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Training dogs is not about quantity, it's more about timing, the right situations, and proper guidance...After that it's up to the dog...
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