Question about temperament in pitts

[Noah]

Very good points.

[Box R Outfitters]

i agree  (cull)  not because any other reasom than there are hundreds of pits who wont fight other dogs, all my hounds are a little growley after a hog catch!!! i compare it to a bar room fight!! after the fight is over your still mad at everybody, so i do understand, buttt all my pits ride in the same box and some in the same pen with other males and females----pits are good at what they do  fight or catch but the fighting wont work for a catch dog and the worst part of it all is________ if they do become human aggressive  its bad bad bad news  i culled the best catch dog  I have ever owned after having pits for about 30 yrs  for just getting a little aggressive with a client on a hog hunt but I still got 4  pits you just have to pick and choose and try and raise them right!!!!! any way  i say CULL  sorry for taking so long to get there

[Jeff]

have i touched on a sore subject?  im not a bleeding heart liberal, and i personally don't care what anyone does with his or her dog, or chicken, or whatever critter he chooses to abuse.  i would just like for the general public to understand that pits can be wonderful dogs, if bred and handled properly.

i was merely referring to the quality, or lack thereof, of the majority of people who match dogs.  crack-heads, thieves, and low lives in general. 

notice i said MAJORITY, not all of you.  if you're not a crackhead or a thief, no need to take offense.

im really not trying to pick any fights here.  im just telling it like i see it.  i would like to peacefully back out of this thread before i get banned.  please don't respond to me anymore. my opinion don't mean much anyway.

[jhy]

I have taken some of the hottest blooded dogs out there and made GREAT catchdogs out of them.  Most folks just arent educated enough to fool with them.  I always keep an amped up dog away from any animal.  From what you described their is nothing that cant be corrected or avoided.

Joey

[shawn]

Dog fighters are called scum bags. Chicken fighters are called scum bags. Some deer doggers in Tx are called scum bags and unethical hunters. Guess What....Hog doggers sometimes get called scum bags too.

ok, so since im kinda slow witted, are you putting hog doggers in the same category as dog fighters and chicken fighters?

[Circle C]

Shawn,

     I think in the eyes of many that we are grouped together in the same category.  If you don't believe that, you just need to go look at a duck hunting, bow hunting, or any other type of hunting board and mention hog dogging...See what kind of response you get. And that is from within the hunting community, it gets worse when you go outside of that.  The only way I know to combat the stereotype is to not live up to it...Try to be ethical, and educate the uninformed when the opportunity presents itself. 

[shawn]

Oh I hear you, and yeah the best way to combat that kind of thinking is to educate, also invite as many people to hunt with you as possible, I haven't seen one person that's went hunting with us that didn't have a complete blast.

I just found it kind of disturbing that a person on a hog hunting forum would compare us to dog and chicken fighters.

[cantexduck]

Shawn,
  Richard didnt compare "us" to "them".
     He stated that most people outside the box call each other out. My family use to fight chickens. I look down on dog fighters,plain and simple. I would have no problem turning in dog fighters. I would still watch a chicken fight if I had the chance. Different strokes for differant folks. But laws are laws. (for the record, no one in my family owns or raises chickens anymore)

    Back to the topic of pitts. I dont think noi matter how solid a dog it is, a bulldog(no matter what breed) that fights or is agressive to other dogs is worth it. o much time and energy is put into the curs I have to let one dog have a bad day and take it out on one of them. Same goes for my curs. I dont like dogs that fight.

[got2catchem]

Dog fighters are called scum bags. Chicken fighters are called scum bags. Some deer doggers in Tx are called scum bags and unethical hunters. Guess What....Hog doggers sometimes get called scum bags too.

ok, so since im kinda slow witted, are you putting hog doggers in the same category as dog fighters and chicken fighters?

LOL..Not at all, Only trying to point out another perspective, that there was a time when they were accepted. And I am sure they probally thought that their sport would not be outlawed, just as we hope ours will never be. If we don't stay active in whats going on in the poitical side of things and police our own bad apples that are giving hog doggers a bad name, we may be in the same boat as them. At least thats what I was trying to say. It was not aimed at any one in particular and I really did'nt mean for it to come out that way if it did, I posted it as just another perspective to be taken into consideration with an open mind on a public board. Either way I will also step out of this topic as, I don't see the point of getting into a WWW typeing match.
 

I just found it kind of disturbing that a person on a hog hunting forum would compare us to dog and chicken fighters.

Don't looked so hard into it and make it into something that it is not. This is usually the reason I stay out of topics like this. You make someone's friend mad and things can get REAL ignorant quick. I'm out of this one for now........

[FORREST]

CULL! ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

[ppc dogos]

Every group above has it's bad apples who give them a bad name. The ones who tresspass, do not take care or their animals, brag about how ruthlessly they cull, do not give their animals proper medical attention, those are the ones giving us a bad name and those are the ones that I would call scum bags...

This is very true. In sweden a dogo owner got busted testing his dog on a hog, lost the right to have dogs, dogs taken away, and now the dogo has a very bad name up there. It will now be impossible to get permission to even TRACK wounded game with a dogo there.

You are in USA, there is much more freedom than here, but if it is ONLY the bad apples that gets media space, it can easliy end very fast.

Here fx. the politicians are thinking about banning 4 breeds, since a lot of bad apples walks their dogs without leash and they attack small dogs on streets..etc..the dogo is among the 4 breeds, the dogo hasn´t  made accidents here, but only because of the pure fact that he is already banned in 2 countries near us.
So, we now takes this fight for the second time, with medias, politicians, kennelclub etc. The newspapers have had a hetz about theese muscled breeds for a year now, every day, and now the politicians follow them.

We are getting punished, because of the rotten apples who do not follow the rules.

[McCoy]

cull it ain't worth the risks

[jhy]

Are yall saying that you should cull a pit because it is dog aggressive?

Joey

[elliscountyhog]

Shawn,

     I think in the eyes of many that we are grouped together in the same category.  If you don't believe that, you just need to go look at a duck hunting, bow hunting, or any other type of hunting board and mention hog dogging...See what kind of response you get. And that is from within the hunting community, it gets worse when you go outside of that.  The only way I know to combat the stereotype is to not live up to it...Try to be ethical, and educate the uninformed when the opportunity presents itself. 

Hog doggers, deer hunters, we are all sportsman and i dont think many hunters see diffrent, i am on other boards and have had no issues.

As for the MAIN subject on this thread, i have never raised a pit, the ones i have used and have in my yard still were from the pound, however i looked for certain things when getting one, but i have had a few issues after the catch with them they do get wound up perty good but heck stick me on someone i hate and i dont wanna quit either and if someone get in the way,,, WELL sorry! But after the catch we always made it appearent to watch the pits close untill the blood eyes have went away.. That is just my experience, now if he is wanting to fight on a regular basis then yes what others have suggested may be the answer, BUT as for the breed i wouldnt trust my life with anything less in the woods. Bein 10 months old i would just give him an old fashion arse whoopin if he even looks at another dog after the catch he will learn.

[Circle C]

Elliscounty,

We SHOULDNT be agreeing on classifien ourselves as scumbags that is what has me puzzled. And i would hate to recommend a site to someone, where it has people agreeing to be classified as scumbags to others.

Where did you come up with this?

     I don't see where anyone on this board agreed that we are scumbags, or that we are the same as them...it was stated that many others group us dog hunters as the same as the dog fighters, chicken fighters, etc.

     

[elliscountyhog]

Ok everyonce in a while i make a mistake and read it wrong i checked and i did, it seemed like yall were agreeing that we are classified as scumbags to others and had no problem with that, were i DO, i dont think we are one bit, Sorry my fingers got a little fast on that one

[got2catchem]

Ellis- One thing they hammered into me in the Marines was " Sometimes wrong, but never in doubt'' 

I say it every time I overlook something....lol

[elliscountyhog]

Yep sounds like me 110%

[cantexduck]

Are yall saying that you should cull a pit because it is dog aggressive?

Joey

 Joey,
    Yes. In my eyes anyways.

  Ellis,
     When I was looking for a catchdog a while back I called one guy to talk to him about one he was selling. He told me she was solid but I would have to watch her after the catch. She would get alittle "grab happy" after you broke her off. I told him thanks and hung up. I dont expect a driven dog to go from 90 to nothing but a pit has to know what they can or cant catch. Like I said, too much damage can be done. Too many dogs out there that dont act a fool.

  Shawn,
      Stay classy.

[Box R Outfitters]

 I AGREE WITH GOT2CATCHEM    EVERYTHING USE TO BE LEGAL AND NOW ITS NOT  I HAVENT EVER DOG FOUGHT  BUT I HAVE RELATIVES WHO HAVE RAN DEER AND HAD CHICKEN FIGHTS  AND THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE  WHO ABIDE BY THE LAW AND DONT DO IT ANYMORE  SOMEDAY WHEN HOG HUNTING IS ILLEGAL WE WILL BE CRIMINALS AND SCUM BAGS  ((((((((( I GUESS   ))))))))) I KNOW I WILL BECAUSE I OWN MY OWN TRAINING PASTURE  AND THEY WONT KEEP ME FROM RUNNING HOGS!!!!(((( EVEN IF I HAVE TO GET SILENT DOGS SO THEY CANT FIND ME!!!!!!)))))))  HAHA    GOOD LUCK