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« on: October 18, 2012, 04:03:19 pm » |
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i have recently enjoyed the posts on dogos vrs pit bulls but i am going to put my self out there by rubing up some of you traditionalist and pureists by saying generally speeking dogos are big dumb and slow ,and pit bulls are even thicker short legged heat intolerent meat heads''' now that statement shoud get a few of yous riled up . now hear is my point while these breeds do the job look good on the back of your truck and is a great point of conversation to talk about there liniage back to i know joe blow that was the cousin of the original dude that breed them......but are they the ultimate pig preditor or do you not have the balls to add to the breed to improve it
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 04:33:27 pm » |
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I'm not much of a dogo myself.... but for the pits when you have a hog stopper that's out of prove stock no matter what blood line it has why would you try and breed something else to it when its already perfect
What I'm getting at is why try fixing it when it isn't broke?
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 04:40:16 pm » |
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I like that start... They (general) have been breeding dogs for years here and accross the pond. People see different dogs that have a quality that they like, and they try to breed it in. There are so many different versions of pit and dogo anyways. I saw a post on FB not too long ago that best explained it. It was 4 dogs, and it asked what "you" thought they were made of. I guess to make a point, and from the general publics perspective, stamped them all pit. Then they had a note under the pics that said dogs were DNA tested, and it listed the results. If I remember correctly two of the 4 didnt' have any pit at all in them! LOL! and the other two were only partial pit; and that may not be exactly right, but you get the jist of it. IMO the dog is what it is... either its got what it takes or it doesn't, and will either run to a bay and catch a hog or it won't. Another example... I was walking my Amerigo downtown at a city gathering, and made a bet with my wife about how many people would ask if she was pit. I nailed how many people would ask right on the head, and she was surprised. LOL! She is a cross and is 4th or 5th generation, so I'd say thats trying to figure out what's what... I guess my point is, unless you breed and have bred your own dogs and got them from an old dog man that has done the same as you and got them from someone that has kept track of the dog, you will never know what is really in that dog unless you were to DNA test it. So why worry about... Hunt them, breed what you like and is the best, and keep on keepin' on! LOL!  I like how the Aussies are doing things, and there is one guy in particular named Rob. He has some jam up dogs!!! He breeds his own dogs and crosses what he sees fit. I think in this game, you either have what it takes or you don't... kinda like the dogs. You either know what you are doing cause you've listened and tried different crosses, or you don't. I am no expert, but I damn sure listen and try to learn as much as possible! And if there is one thing I've learned with as many people as I've hunted with is that if the dogs hunt and find/bay/catch hogs then hunt em hard! Who cares what it's made of so long as it works and gets the job done! I know some will disagree with me on this, but they either have "it" or they don't. |
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2012, 04:51:32 pm » |
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i have recently enjoyed the posts on dogos vrs pit bulls but i am going to put my self out there by rubing up some of you traditionalist and pureists by saying generally speeking dogos are big dumb and slow ,and pit bulls are even thicker short legged heat intolerent meat heads''' now that statement shoud get a few of yous riled up . now hear is my point while these breeds do the job look good on the back of your truck and is a great point of conversation to talk about there liniage back to i know joe blow that was the cousin of the original dude that breed them......but are they the ultimate pig preditor or do you not have the balls to add to the breed to improve it
How many Dogos and Pitbulls have you been around... I would guess not very many based on the way you " generally speek" about them... |
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2012, 05:08:30 pm » |
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For us here more than 1/2 bulldog is too much....too slow...dumb and quick to fight....My cousin has a 1/2 english bull terrier bitch (x border collie X ridgeback??) and she's mighty handy on those big fellas but she is as sharp as a bowling ball. Not sure what the fascination is with either pits or dogos...Plenty of crossbreds around that will do the same job with a lot less swearing and frustration.
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2012, 06:55:57 pm » |
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i have recently enjoyed the posts on dogos vrs pit bulls but i am going to put my self out there by rubing up some of you traditionalist and pureists by saying generally speeking dogos are big dumb and slow ,and pit bulls are even thicker short legged heat intolerent meat heads''' now that statement shoud get a few of yous riled up . now hear is my point while these breeds do the job look good on the back of your truck and is a great point of conversation to talk about there liniage back to i know joe blow that was the cousin of the original dude that breed them......but are they the ultimate pig preditor or do you not have the balls to add to the breed to improve it
How many Dogos and Pitbulls have you been around... I would guess not very many based on the way you " generally speek" about them... who am i to say what is right or wrong but my questioning was the fore and against the different breeds that are well established and can you improve them because most of you seem to know there faults for the purpose you keep them or... are they like a mothers child to you ...perfect |
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2012, 07:03:48 pm » |
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back in the early 1980's and 90's most any pitbull from the pound would catch a pig the first time especially if it squealed...now there seems to be more culls and my belief is that at this day and time they are many generations removed from the ultimate culling process of those times back in the day...
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2012, 07:09:09 pm » |
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No dog is percect, and I'll do whatever necessary to improve the best I have.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2012, 07:17:58 pm » |
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pigrig LOL  |
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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2012, 07:18:15 pm » |
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None of my bulldogs (hate that outdated term 'pits') are slow, short, and certainly not fat heat intolerant meatheads. Nothing but classic old family strain bulldogs on this here yard. You must be thinkin about them 'American Bully' kinda dogs.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2012, 07:29:27 pm » |
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I wouldn't give you a bucket full of bullnumber 2 for dogo! As for my bulldog until he cant get the job done i ask him to do i won't change anything!
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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2012, 07:40:50 pm » |
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Big, dumb, & slow? I'm not sure what kind of dogos you have been around. Yes my dogos are big. But by no means are they dumb or slow. They may not be perfect but they get the job done. Ain't no use in trying to fix something that ain't broke
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2012, 07:52:52 pm » |
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2012, 08:06:25 pm » |
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Pigrig what do you water your bulldogs down with?
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2012, 08:11:24 pm » |
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Pigrig just out of curiosity, what makes you say dogos are dumb & slow?
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2012, 08:27:31 pm » |
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Pigrig just out of curiosity, what makes you say dogos are dumb & slow?
Them dogos have a stride like a horse, then again they are as big as one... |
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2012, 08:30:19 pm » |
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people are always changing dogs up,breeding this and that into them my grandfather was a old school rooster man and pit man i have been around some of the best game bread pits in the world most were black,brindle,red,black and white,red and white.were in the heck did all these blue PURE BREAD PITS come from? i would bet that they would last about 30min against a game bread pit like a carver,or other old school bulldog.Really were did the blue pit come from?
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2012, 08:42:15 pm » |
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Pigrig just out of curiosity, what makes you say dogos are dumb & slow?
Them dogos have a stride like a horse, then again they are as big as one... I've just never heard someone who knows anything about a dogo call them slow. I'm a tad bit dumbfounded at the moment lol |
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2012, 08:48:35 pm » |
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Pigrig and ausie I really like the way yall do things. Personally I look at it as most pits I have been around are broke not dumb but sure not fast and nimble. There are some out there but most are game bred and a pain in the rear end on aggressiveness. I am trying to breed a better dog for me in my eyes my original cross is a pit/ridgeback. From here I will see what my pups have and go from here. They are 7 months old and my 2 males are coming on good my females not so much yet but think they will. There are a few people doing crosses like I am trying but we are not the norm. I look at aussie style dogs and say that is what I am breeding for right there. I like dogos they are nice breed when they are good but there are a lot of problems with them (skin deaf sight etc). Also getting to be a lot of pet breeders in dogos that is not helping none. Tcolt on here has a nice dogo right now I really like him. I want dogs that can do it all find catch and hold maybe not by them selves but 2 to 3 out at a time. I will breed till I get the dog I'm looking for.
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2012, 09:08:39 pm » |
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None of my bulldogs (hate that outdated term 'pits') are slow, short, and certainly not fat heat intolerant meatheads. Nothing but classic old family strain bulldogs on this here yard. You must be thinkin about them 'American Bully' kinda dogs.
I use "pits" as a general term... How outsiders view them. Blake's Jane and my Baus I label either as a bulldog which is still general, or I say what they really are American Pit Bull Terrier APBT, and gamey too boot! Lol! No offense just clarification. |
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