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« on: November 13, 2012, 06:40:07 pm » |
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Didn't really want to but when I was out of town for two weeks with my fathers passing one of my girls (around 10 months now) got bred. I was hoping it wouldn't take. Then when I was starting to see alot of nipple I was hoping false pregnancy (which I havnt had any experience with). She's due to drop in 5-7 days and today I noticed she is starting to get bags between her hind legs. Does this happen in a false pregnancy? (I hope, lol). She isnt swole up. Probably only gonna have 3-4 pups i guess. Well, anyway, not that big of a deal I guess. Just gonna miss training for the next couple months. PROBABLY gonna be a mixed litter by two sires. Here's what the parents are -
Can't get photo bucket to work right now but if you searched my posts you could see pictures of all of them)
Gyp - Bella - 1/2 Catahoula 1/4 Red Bone 1/4 Pitt
Sire - Jasper - BMC (bay/potential strike dog)
Sire - Zeuse - 3/4 Cat 1/4 Pitt (my lead in)
Ill keep the ones by Jasper - 1/2 BMC 1/4 Cat 1/8 RB 1/8 PB
Ill get rid of the ones by Zeuse - 7/16 Cat 7/16 PB 2/16 RB. They are gonna be great dogs. They'll be easy to get a handle on and that mix looks like a RCD with strike potential to me. Just not my style of hunting.
Anyway, should be easy to tell them apart. Ill keep y'all posted.
Oh! Fill me in on the false pregnancy details please. Really don't think that's the case here but would still like the info.
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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2012, 06:52:24 pm » |
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The only way to tell them apart is by dna testing the entire litter against one of the potential sires  |
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KevinN
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2012, 07:13:30 pm » |
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Lol... well...There will be distinguishing features. Zeuse is double glass eyed and kind of a light tan brindle w/ white trim. Bella is not even cracked (not to say glass isn't in her genetics) and grey leopard, and of course Jasper has brown eyes and is solid yellow with NO brindle in his pedigree. If I get a double glass eyed pup or a brindle pup I am pretty positive it will be from Zeuse.
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KevinN
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2012, 07:26:19 pm » |
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Didn't really want to but when I was out of town for two weeks with my fathers passing one of my girls (around 10 months now) got bred. I was hoping it wouldn't take. Then when I was starting to see alot of nipple I was hoping false pregnancy (which I havnt had any experience with). She's due to drop in 5-7 days and today I noticed she is starting to get bags between her hind legs. Does this happen in a false pregnancy? (I hope, lol). She isnt swole up. Probably only gonna have 3-4 pups i guess. Well, anyway, not that big of a deal I guess. Just gonna miss training for the next couple months. PROBABLY gonna be a mixed litter by two sires. Here's what the parents are -
Can't get photo bucket to work right now but if you searched my posts you could see pictures of all of them)
Gyp - Bella - 1/2 Catahoula 1/4 Red Bone 1/4 Pitt
Sire - Jasper - BMC (bay/potential strike dog)
Sire - Zeuse - 3/4 Cat 1/4 Pitt (my lead in)
Ill keep the ones by Jasper - 1/2 BMC 1/4 Cat 1/8 RB 1/8 PB
Ill get rid of the ones by Zeuse - 7/16 Cat 7/16 PB 2/16 RB. They are gonna be great dogs. They'll be easy to get a handle on and that mix looks like a RCD with strike potential to me. Just not my style of hunting.
Anyway, should be easy to tell them apart. Ill keep y'all posted.
Oh! Fill me in on the false pregnancy details please. Really don't think that's the case here but would still like the info.
Correction - Zeuse is 3/4 PB 1/4 Cat |
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2012, 07:30:53 pm » |
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Its still gonna be hard to tell them apart since your female is cross bred there will be lots of genes show up but that's your business .... As for false pregnancy the female can actually start lactating I could be wrong but false pregnancy is brought on by hormones ... you can palpate the females stomach and being so far along you feel the pups moving or atleast feel the pups
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2012, 08:06:52 pm » |
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you gotta remember to that there are brindle catahoulas so , good luck trying to tell the diffrence , if i was you an wanted to keep some keep them all till there are like 6 months then you may could tell by the body size an stuff
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2012, 09:35:23 pm » |
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The dogs are mixed, there's absolutely no way to tell what's going to come out and from what generation. You might have a throwback from 4 generations ago. The only way to know is DNA.
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KevinN
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2012, 09:38:21 pm » |
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The dogs are mixed, there's absolutely no way to tell what's going to come out and from what generation. You might have a throwback from 4 generations ago. The only way to know is DNA.
Not sure I'm understanding you. What do you mean what generation? |
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2012, 09:44:27 pm » |
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Your pups don't just take after there parents, they have grand parents, great grand parents, and so on. Pups can come out looking like an ancestor and you won't be the wiser.
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KevinN
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2012, 09:58:11 pm » |
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Your pups don't just take after there parents, they have grand parents, great grand parents, and so on. Pups can come out looking like an ancestor and you won't be the wiser.
To a certain degree, yes. I mean.... I'm not gonna get a pup that looks like a pure redbone just because their great grandad was 100% redbone. And I know for a fact your not gonna get a double glass eyed pup when one of the parents is 100% BMC. Both parents MUST at a minimum carry the recessive glass eye gene to get a double glass eye pup. |
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2012, 05:54:27 am » |
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Not necessarilly on the eyes. I have a purebred Catahoula out of Camp-A-While Catahoulas. My gyp is black and tan in color and has two brown eyes. The registered parents are both leopard color and had glass eyes.
Anytime you breed two dogs, it is possible to come out with any combination of colors and sizes. If you have a gyp that has been bred by two males, you may get lucky and be able to tell which pup came from which male, but you cant be certain unless you test DNA. It is possible that you may have an all red pup out of the liter.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2012, 07:20:34 am » |
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With the gyp having so many breeds of dogs in her there is literally know way you can go off of coat color. Most likely the gyp is not proven at 10 months old. It would be best to cull them all and wait til she proves herself. But to each his own. As long as they don't end of for sale as "hog dog" on the dog trade lol
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2012, 08:12:04 am » |
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Your pups don't just take after there parents, they have grand parents, great grand parents, and so on. Pups can come out looking like an ancestor and you won't be the wiser.
To a certain degree, yes. I mean.... I'm not gonna get a pup that looks like a pure redbone just because their great grandad was 100% redbone. And I know for a fact your not gonna get a double glass eyed pup when one of the parents is 100% BMC. Both parents MUST at a minimum carry the recessive glass eye gene to get a double glass eye pup. Yes, it is possible that you have one come out that looks like a pure redbone. Blue eye color is a recessive gene that all dogs have. Pups can pull genetically from any dog in their pedigree. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2012, 08:42:41 am » |
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With the gyp having so many breeds of dogs in her there is literally know way you can go off of coat color. Most likely the gyp is not proven at 10 months old. It would be best to cull them all and wait til she proves herself. But to each his own. As long as they don't end of for sale as "hog dog" on the dog trade lol
X2 i wanted to say that but couldnt say it nicely |
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KevinN
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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2012, 09:44:07 am » |
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Question... And please only respond if you have had an "experience" that gives you the knowledge to answer. I don't need opinion here, I know as much about dog genetics as most, if not more on this subject.
"Has anyone ever bred a Brown Eyed Dog with recessive blue genes (meaning one or more of the dogs in its pedigree have at least one blue eye) to a Brown Eyed Dog (with NO recessive blue genes) and gotten a pup with a cracked/walled/ or double glass eyes?
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« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2012, 09:51:02 am » |
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Question... And please only respond if you have had an "experience" that gives you the knowledge to answer. I don't need opinion here, I know as much about dog genetics as most, if not more on this subject.
"Has anyone ever bred a Brown Eyed Dog with recessive blue genes (meaning one or more of the dogs in its pedigree have at least one blue eye) to a Brown Eyed Dog (with NO recessive blue genes) and gotten a pup with a cracked/walled/ or double glass eyes?
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« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2012, 10:07:33 am » |
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blue is a recessive in the canine genome...therefore, there isn't any canine that doesn't carry "recessive blue genes".
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KevinN
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2012, 10:28:50 am » |
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I got to thinking about it more and did some more research. It seems there are four ways for a dog to get blue eyes. Coat color can affect eye color, regardless of the color of the eyes in either parents pedogree. The Merle gene, they say, can cause cracked/walled eyes. Don't ask me about the others because I already forgot, lol. So... If I'm understanding correctly... If a dog is Merle...it automatically has a chance of throwing a blue eyed pup, regardless of its own eye color or the other parents eye color or the eye color in the pedigree of either parent. Amazing stuff.
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« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2012, 10:29:20 am » |
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Question... And please only respond if you have had an "experience" that gives you the knowledge to answer. I don't need opinion here, I know as much about dog genetics as most, if not more on this subject.
"Has anyone ever bred a Brown Eyed Dog with recessive blue genes (meaning one or more of the dogs in its pedigree have at least one blue eye) to a Brown Eyed Dog (with NO recessive blue genes) and gotten a pup with a cracked/walled/ or double glass eyes?
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