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« on: November 20, 2012, 06:33:29 am » |
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Well we all know how important handle is in a dog. I've seen dogs with amazing handle and dogs that have no handle. But what are the step an the things y'all do to obtain a handle that you desire in your young dogs. I know time put into a pup is a start but what are the key thing of do's and don't with a young dog. Thanks Chris
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KevinN
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2012, 08:16:53 am » |
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IMO time IS the key. I've started 3 packs, lol. Always with 1 pup for at least 3-4 or even upwards of 8-10 months being the only pup I had so it got the majority of my free time. As I acquired more pups or dogs the time I spent with each one individually dwindled. I always still had at least a decent handle on all my dogs but the first one (oldest) always had the best handle.
I just focus on basic obedience at first. "COME" is the most important to me. I won't own a dog that I can't at least coax in. "Down" is sometimes an issue with pups that want to jump on you but a knee to the chest in mid-jump will solve that fairly quick. "Load up/kennel up" I've never had an issue with. "Kennel up" is easiest taught at feed time. "Load up" is more of just a confidence thing, the jumping part. Once they figure out what happens when they load (they get to go have fun) up its easy after that, lol.
Those are the only ones I really care about.
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2012, 08:44:06 am » |
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The only commands I worry about are, come here, load up, get out and get ahead. I'm probably in the minority on my opinion but I think that too much handle can hurt a dog when it comes to range and staying ability. I will also teach a cow dog, get behind so they will stay with my horse until I send them and back up to give the cattle some room. I like an independent minded dog and don't mind one that is a little hard to catch.
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 01:03:28 pm » |
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The only commands I worry about are, come here, load up, get out and get ahead. I'm probably in the minority on my opinion but I think that too much handle can hurt a dog when it comes to range and staying ability. I will also teach a cow dog, get behind so they will stay with my horse until I send them and back up to give the cattle some room. I like an independent minded dog and don't mind one that is a little hard to catch.
I am with you. I make sure I can grab my dog anywhere. They need to come when I call them. But I want a more independent dog. I have been around dogs with good handle. But when it comes to hog hunting I would say no we all don't know how important handle is in a dog. I would ask what do you mean by handle? I don't want the dog walking beside me for sure. Bird dogs need handle but not hog dogs. |
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 02:27:22 pm » |
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My dogs have to know 2 things come here and shut up. Other than that they figure out load and get ahead but have switched to a hissing noise for them to get ahead. This works for me. Will say I don't require much handle but they sure better learn come hear and shut up or they don't last long.
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Nathan83
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2012, 10:17:34 am » |
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I have the basic like everyone else but I have one other thing I do to get the dogs back to me or the truck is whistle loud and they come running, i can call them off a pig with it too and it helps with the dogs I don't have the gps collars on.
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hogaholicswife
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2012, 01:47:58 pm » |
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My dogs have to know 2 things come here and shut up. Other than that they figure out load and get ahead but have switched to a hissing noise for them to get ahead. This works for me. Will say I don't require much handle but they sure better learn come hear and shut up or they don't last long.
Amen!! Shut up is an important term around us too lol. Our dogs tend to be skittish / don't look for attention (which we like and prefer) but come here and load up are just as important. We can whistle and they come running or shut up (depending on the pitch) and my husband makes some kind of noise to make them go ahead. We have little puppies that load up in the pens already and dogs that get on the box (they wind) by being told to load up so there is no getting out to make them 'get in'. Handle is a big deal but it takes time and patience plus knowing what you want. |
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cantexduck
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2012, 03:31:44 pm » |
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I prefer my dogs not to be close enough to hear me say a command.
Get out and load up. That Is all I care about. Dog never sees a lead until I need to lead them off a hog in the woods.
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2012, 04:59:17 pm » |
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i see by some of the post some folks have a misunderstanding of the word handle lol to some it seems to meen the dogs stay in your lap . that is not the case at all . handle is no more than basic obedience in the feild i.e. come here , get out , load up , heal ect. i have never had basic obediance hender a dogs hunting ability or range or style of hunt , just makes hunting more enjoyable for me when my dogs listen and obey my commands in the field . handle only works when the dogs are within hearing distance . like training to a horn or beeper on an e-collar . super nice when you can tell 3 or 4 cur dogs to heal up when thru hunting and ready to go to the truck . or the surprise on a rancher or farmers face when he see's how well behaved a pack of dogs you have . i personally was thru with all that running screaming thru the woods trying to catch a pack of dogs when i was 12 years old . does a good handle interfear with a pack of 50 fox hounds trained to the horn and whip ? i don't think so lol getting a good handle on your dogs is the very best thing to do for this sport espescially with our dwindleing areas to hunt i hear too many times about how no dogs are allowed due to some-one turning out a pack of wild a$$ cur dogs that were totally out of control and running amuck through some-ones ranch . handle em boy's
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cantexduck
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2012, 06:39:30 pm » |
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I see what you are saying. I dont spend a lot time with my dogs, mistake? Who knows. I cut them out and want them to go hunt. I want them to see me as their mode of transportation. Over time they learn that me hollering means come here.
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« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2012, 08:22:30 pm » |
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Well said halfbreed, handle shouldn't hinder a dogs hunt...it is so very annoying to listen to someone yell and scream at their obnoxious dogs all night long - lots of time it doesn't get them reinvited to hunt with us. We yell and holler sometimes but most of the time it is at young puppies that are just learning.
We hunt big properties so it is nice when the dogs come back that you just tell them to load up so you never really have to stop what you are doing just to drive across the road.
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