For Dogo enthusiasts...

[Noah]

Here's an awesome example of what's possible in a breeding program, when the means to do so are available.  These guys seem to really have a plan, and from the looks of the dogs, it's worked.  If you'll notice, they send most of the pups out to be hunted and "proofed" by the local Creoles(local hunters), thereby ensuring a trainable, functional breeding specimen.  The Argentinian kennel, known as "La Cocha", is inspiring in design... whether you're breeding your first litter or 500th.

Here's the link:   http://dogoargentinonores.com/marco1.htm

Although I'm still unsure of how the classic Dogo fits in to the various American hunting styles, I'd love to get to see one of these specific dogs work, just to see what that level of planning and commitment can produce over time.   

Do any of you Dogo enthusiasts have any first hand experience with any dogs from this kennel?

[mex]

As an owner of 2 Dogo I must say that is awesome!Those guys have their stuff together!

[uglydog]

That is great Standards set upon themselves. If all people would practice strict breeding standards and testing to functionality there would be alot of realy good dogs.

Problem is these days it is easy to say one thing and do another.

[uglydog]

Now Noah this sounds like a vacation to me!
http://dogoargentinonores.com/marco1.htm

[L3Outdoors]

I like that all there Dogo's are 90lbs or bigger. None of the 70lbs Dogo's you see here.

[kevin]

I hunt with one form La Cocha pretty regularly.  Ilike the dog.  With the exception I don't think he could use his nose to find his food if you didn't pour it in front of him.  He gets ear infections so bad he basically becomes unilaterally deaf and he is actually allergic to pork (tested by vet).  He catches good though.
  The internet can make any kennel look like the greatest.  He is the only dog from their breeding I have personally used. So he may be a fluke.  I have also worked one that came through them (from my understanding) that would jump a fence to get out of the pen from a hog.

I'll stick with the stock I already have. 

[Noah]

Now Noah this sounds like a vacation to me!
http://dogoargentinonores.com/marco1.htm

"Safari"....Hog dogger's dream vacation right there for sure! .... may not want to come back!.... need to brush up on my espanol.... muy pequeno...

[Noah]

I completely agree Kevin, you never know what you're dealing with till you see it in person.  Thanks for the report, hopefully those two are the exception....  You think the ear probs are from him being cropped (if he is)?

[kevin]

L3. Where do you find 70lb dogos?

[Circle C]

The internet can make any kennel look like the greatest.

So true!  I happen to know a woman that has an awesome website for her horse business, looks amazing, and really talks the talk. To people who don't know her personally, she can really draw them in and take their money...  Course now the SPCA has all the horses from her property, including clients horses. Animal Planet was there with camera rolling... Just goes to show that you can be anything on the net!

[kevin]

I completely agree Kevin, you never know what you're dealing with till you see it in person.  Thanks for the report, hopefully those two are the exception....  You think the ear probs are from him being cropped (if he is)?

I think it is an allergy issue.  Out of I believe 9 cropped dogos ive never once had and ear infection in any of them.

[L3Outdoors]

Kevin, I have meet alot of people that said there dogs where pure Dogo and they where 70 to 80lbs and around 23'' tall. Dont know who these dogs where bought from but the owners all said they pure Dogo's. The Dogo we hunt is around 100lbs now and I am real happy with his nose.

[hoghunterdfw]

I have met and spoken with a some people who have visited their kennels and several others in Argentina and according to them the La Cocha guys are more hype and good marketing then substance and real good breeding. They said the majority of the argentina guys see any gringos from america or europe looking for dogos as easy marks and they will say anything to get as much $$$ out of you as they think you are willing to give them.  Honestly after hearing several of these kinda stories from various different sources I believe most of em are like a bad used car salesman ready to polish up any turd you think you might like.

[Ladogos]

     DONT believe everything you read on the internet guys .   I know a few people out there that have dogs from these kennels and like HoghunterFWD said they can make anything  " SOUND " good on the internet.     

[Noah]

So Marvin, other than PPC Dogos whom obviously raise some nice dogs, do you have any experience with any Argentinian functional Dogo breeders?  Breeders that actually use the breeding dogs on a daily basis?  Even if "La Cocha" is a misrepresentation,  I have to believe that somewhere in Argentina, there is a breeder that has quality dogs.

[Scott]

In any breed there are good and bad representatives, and good and bad breeders...personally, I'd be leary of anyone that is trying to sell me something that is talking bad about someone else who is selling the same product. The product should speak for itself. Bad mouthing other breeders would raise a big flag in my mind.

When it comes to purchasing a relatively expensive purebred dog of any breed, I'd be sure to visit as many different kennels as I could and personally lay hands on the dogs. That way you could make your own decision regarding the dogs versus taking the opinion of someone who has a vested interest in what dog you purchase.

[Noah]

I sent word to Dr. Nores about this topic, hopefully he gets the chance to respond....

[Bigl]

The reason this is seems so corect is because..... it is correct, they breed the original Argentine Dogo , they r the Martinez family,I have spoken with them they r very friendly, but there prices r not very reasonable!

[Noah]

The reason this is seems so corect is because..... it is correct, they breed the original Argentine Dogo , they r the Martinez family,I have spoken with them they r very friendly

That's kind of what I figured.... hard to imagine the originator of the breed wouldn't still have some stock held back.....

While I'm on the subject.... I don't believe that most "American hunters" truly understand the function of the dogo....   From what I understand, the dog is not bred to be a "one out" lead in catch dog.... They are hunted in packs, more like our rough, short range curs. 

So, when I see someone complain about how a Dogo won't run in like a suicidal pit and close it's eyes, I'm not suprised.... it's just not what they were originally bred for.

Now the "Americanized Dogo" is another story.... that's the style we tend to use, so that's what we breed for....

[kevin]

I hope I didn't come across as downing their dogs, because that wasn't my intentions.  I was just giving my experience with the one I have used.  The dog does the job he was purchased for he just has some health issues.   
 The second dog I mentioned is a "Del Litoral" dog if I remember correctly.

Hopefully Mr. Nores will check us out and set us all straight. 
 
 Noah, check out Marcelo's board too.  He seems to know his stuff.  Just search for "Dogoman"