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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2009, 06:13:33 am »

All breeders creates bad and good. Our selves included. The breeders who tell different,  I would be naughty and say they are lying Smiley
I have seen good dogs from La Cocha and I have seen bad.

NO ONE breed 100 % prefect dogs. NO ONE.

You can´t win each time, breeding is a give and take and hard selection.

The internet today is really something BAD.

Too many internet expertes on the ground who never visited people/breeders and ever hunted with a dogo, and too few who actually WORKS the dogs.

We do not work our dogs as much as we would like to, we simply have no possibility to - but we do NOT tell otherwise!
IF only breeders would be HONEST about their doings.

We try to place good dogs out with hunters to get feedback.
This is the perfect way for us to be able to select good in our breeding stock, since the feedback from a hunter is not "coloured" in any way.
The few hunts we do ourselves each year is too little to be able to base our breeding on. However it gives us a wiew over what our dogs content.

I dislike this talking about breeders, with second hand info.
PLEASE do not "talk" about breeders you havent visited and have had some experience with seeing their dogs work.

Kevin is right, he talks ONLY about his OWN experience. And this is the way it should be.

The problem with the dogo community is that some experienced breeders try  to BRAIN WASH newcommers in the breed to believe that ONLY ONE BLOODLINE functions, and that is SO MUCH WRONG.

We have dogs from several different bloodlines that works well for us.
This we believe is important to keep the dogo healthy, too much inbreeding makes the dogo just weaker imo.

From Argentina we have gotten a dog very drivy, not from a hunting kennel, but a great reproductor of drives, then we have taken home a dog who comes from a person who works them, this dog is only good as oure catchdog, not on the ground, he is not fighting other dogs but simply not build for running. He however produced some good dogs with a female selected specially for him.
Then we have taken some dogs home who were in the medium of drives, quite okay, and easy to be around, but not the most healthy dogs. Some of theese we had to put to sleep.
Then we have used some males from other Eu countries, knowing only the dogs temperaments and curage, from the combinations where we used these, we got the best dogos for hunting until now, best nose and drives. Maybe not the best showdogs, but absolutely the best workers.

Just to illustrate, you can not generalize.

It is our expereince that the EASIEST part is creating a good catchdog out of a dogo, many breeders still only focus about the fight with the boar, but there is SO much more to take into consideration, like creating a dog with NOSE build to RUN, with other dogs around and a good and loving temper with people.

The art of good breeding is SELECTION. If you can not be criticial to your own dogs, then forget about getting results with the dogo.

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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2009, 06:44:52 am »

Very good points B, I was hoping you'd share your thoughts on this. 

What do you think about how Dogos were originally meant to be used for hog hunting?   

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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2009, 07:19:17 am »


The art of good breeding is SELECTION. If you can not be criticial to your own dogs, then forget about getting results with the dogo.

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And work (as in how the dog works) is the fundamental element of the sort (selection). I would say that if you aren't objective/honest regarding your own dogs, you can forget about getting results...regardless of the breed. Wink
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2009, 10:40:30 am »

This is a good question, since HOW were they used originally ?

Even back to the creation of the breed, you did not see much hunters with a pack of pure dogos. From this time we mostly saw fotos with different dogs and guns too.

Today in Argentina you very seldom see hunters with dogos only.

I have been there and asked a lot of hunters who are hunting more than just a couple of times a year, and they all use different types of mixes along with the dogo.

So the info about the dogo doing it all is very limited.
This do not mean that it can not be done. I know it can. With the correct dogs.
 



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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2009, 10:05:46 pm »

The reason this is seems so corect is because..... it is correct, they breed the original Argentine Dogo , they r the Martinez family,I have spoken with them they r very friendly

That's kind of what I figured.... hard to imagine the originator of the breed wouldn't still have some stock held back.....

While I'm on the subject.... I don't believe that most "American hunters" truly understand the function of the dogo....   From what I understand, the dog is not bred to be a "one out" lead in catch dog.... They are hunted in packs, more like our rough, short range curs. 

So, when I see someone complain about how a Dogo won't run in like a suicidal pit and close it's eyes, I'm not suprised.... it's just not what they were originally bred for.

Now the "Americanized Dogo" is another story.... that's the style we tend to use, so that's what we breed for....
I will have to look but i have some pictures Mrs. Ulises D'Andrea sent me of a dog i was looking at and the pictures showed it catching a pig and cougar "one out" not trying to start anything just sayin what Mrs. D'Andrea tld me!!!
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2009, 10:17:26 pm »

Quote from: Noah link=topic=6085.msg50873#msg50873 date=12443
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The reason this is seems so corect is because..... it is correct, they breed the original Argentine Dogo , they r the Martinez family,I have spoken with them they r very friendly


I will have to look but i have some pictures Mrs. Ulises D'Andrea sent me of a dog i was looking at and the pictures showed it catching a pig and cougar "one out" not trying to start anything just sayin what Mrs. D'Andrea tld me!!!

  You mean "Mr."

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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2009, 11:07:16 pm »

Quote from: Noah link=topic=6085.msg50873#msg50873 date=12443
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The reason this is seems so corect is because..... it is correct, they breed the original Argentine Dogo , they r the Martinez family,I have spoken with them they r very friendly


I will have to look but i have some pictures Mrs. Ulises D'Andrea sent me of a dog i was looking at and the pictures showed it catching a pig and cougar "one out" not trying to start anything just sayin what Mrs. D'Andrea tld me!!!

  You mean "Mr."


I talked to a "Mrs."
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« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2009, 09:01:25 am »

I see.  Mrs. as in the wife of.
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« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2009, 01:27:34 pm »

I see.  Mrs. as in the wife of.
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