The HDTT - HOG DOG TOURNAMENT TRAIL - 2013

[cward]

Lance if there was a like button I would hit it.

[TexasJ]

Lance if there was a like button I would hit it.

I would too.  I appreciate your post.

[Lance]

The solution is simple. Start another Tournament series and all of the tournaments in it have to allow barrs. There are so many people starting new tournaments every year that there is usually 2 or 3 tournaments every weekend in the spring. That's why there is a First Baptist and a Second Baptist Church in most towns, because the members of the original First Baptist disagreed and split and started the Second Baptist Church. There are enough people on here that like making and catching barrs and know enough about the tournaments to pull it off real easy. I'm pro barr and think that all hogs should be treated equally. It is unfair and unethical to discriminate against hogs based on their sex (or lack of sex), color, size, handicaps, religion or political views. The new tournament series could be called, THE HOG DOG TRAIL OF BARRS ALLOWED!

[Miller Lite]

The solution is simple. Start another Tournament series and all of the tournaments in it have to allow barrs. There are so many people starting new tournaments every year that there is usually 2 or 3 tournaments every weekend in the spring. That's why there is a First Baptist and a Second Baptist Church in most towns, because the members of the original First Baptist disagreed and split and started the Second Baptist Church. There are enough people on here that like making and catching barrs and know enough about the tournaments to pull it off real easy. I'm pro barr and think that all hogs should be treated equally. It is unfair and unethical to discriminate against hogs based on their sex (or lack of sex), color, size, handicaps, religion or political views. The new tournament series could be called, THE HOG DOG TRAIL OF BARRS ALLOWED!

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[Miller Lite]

just curious ... is this meat going to be ate? an if so why on earth wouldn't you want barr hogs I for one aint gunna eat no 300lbs stinkin boar hog unless i haven't ate in 3 days an im hungry an even then i'd become a deer huntin fool quick but i was just wondering where all this pork goes i know how allan wells was an that was cool but you would think the more barrs an sows the happier

[cward]

Lance I like the way you think. We could call it the better of the best because it allows the biggest and toughest hog in the competition 

[cward]

So the bumpers competition is not in the best of the best?

[Lance]

Lance I like the way you think. We could call it the better of the best because it allows the biggest and toughest hog in the competition 

Yee Haw! If you'll ear it down I'll climb on it! Seriously, there are more than enough tournaments to make it work and most of the guys in my part of Texas love to catch a big bad barr more than anything.

[TexasJ]

So the bumpers competition is not in the best of the best?

There are quit a few changes for 2013.  And it's apparent that some have chimed in before even doing some basic research.  Here's the tournys this year.

http://www.hogdogtournamenttrail.com/index.html

Here's an update on the changes for 2013

http://www.hogdogtournamenttrail.com/new-for-2013.html

Last year, Alan's tournament had a 1st and 2nd place finish that was dominated by weights of very heavy Barr hogs.

The desire of the tournament trail is to have Lots Of Weights all closely grouped together.  Without heavy barrs in this stringers, this is more likely to happen.  This creates more COMPETITION.  Also, there is a max number of hogs weighed in at each tournament.  Only 3!!!

This brings the margin of victory closer together.   The point is to create MORE CLOSE COMPETITION!!!

Try to understand this...

[cward]

Well here is the factual story behind the winners of Allen's competition. Van donn Lionandboarhunter, Mike, and Jason Mac. Went and worked hard to catch some good barrs. But they only had 4 and yes leading it with a 400 lb trophy. They had bad weather and were having trouble to locate a 5 th and final hog. Witch ended up being a 150 pound boar. The other team that won it started out with a 347 pound sow (Barron) then had nothing they knew what it was going to take to win it. They went hunting hard and located a 300 pound Barr. Well just so happened there were 3 barrs rooting up my hay field and they come caught them. Witch put them in the lead. Everything they did was legal and it was truly a competitive competition with what happened that weekend and I was not even entered.

[cward]

We knew what it would take to win,the bumpers and pulled together hard to do it. That is why its a competition.

[TexasJ]

Well here is the factual story behind the winners of Allen's competition. Van donn Lionandboarhunter, Mike, and Jason Mac. Went and worked hard to catch some good barrs. But they only had 4 and yes leading it with a 400 lb trophy. They had bad weather and were having trouble to locate a 5 th and final hog. Witch ended up being a 150 pound boar. The other team that won it started out with a 347 pound sow (Barron) then had nothing they knew what it was going to take to win it. They went hunting hard and located a 300 pound Barr. Well just so happened there were 3 barrs rooting up my hay field and they come caught them. Witch put them in the lead. Everything they did was legal and it was truly a competitive competition with what happened that weekend and I was not even entered.

Exactly.  And I'm puting together a trail that is intended to create an additional layer of competition across multiple tournaments.  And that obstacle includes establishing a format that entices more hunters to enter and more hunters who feel like they can win.  There are way more hunters out there who can put together a 3 hog stringer of non barrs and feel like they have a remote chance of winning.

The number of teams who "actually weigh-in" on 5 hog stringer tournaments is typically 50%.  The best I've heard of is 65%.  By lowering the number of hogs required, 3 things are more likely to occur.
1) more entries
2) more teams actually come to weigh-in
3) more teams feel like they actually have a chance to win.

These aspects improve tournament participation all the way around, as well as increase the competition. 

[TShelly]

This brings the margin of victory closer together.   The point is to create MORE CLOSE COMPETITION!!!

Try to understand this...

Then I think you should take "the best" quote out of your flyer or at least adjust it with an asterisk.. For the sake of making it more fair and closer competition for ALL competitors if you have to exclude something then it really is NOT a true test of the BEST. It is only the best within your set of biased rules

[TexasJ]

This brings the margin of victory closer together.   The point is to create MORE CLOSE COMPETITION!!!

Try to understand this...

Then I think you should take "the best" quote out of your flyer or at least adjust it with an asterisk.. For the sake of making it more fair and closer competition for ALL competitors if you have to exclude something then it really is NOT a true test of the BEST. It is only the best within your set of biased rules

Yeah I went out on a limb there didn't I?!

Statement like that is sure enough going to start a controversy and get 4 pages of comments and 600 views in 4 days now won't it!

;-)

[cward]

Texasj the reason it is bothersome for this rule to us is you take a dog like Blaster(rip) who is sent out to find and catch boars and change them into barrs then sent out to find barrs. That dog is the best of the best and we you say that a dog that goes out and find barrs to win a competition is taken the best dog out of the competion.

[Caseydejohn]

The best of the best can only catch THREE hogs in a weekend? Any one with any ol peice of chit mutt can catch 3 hogs in a weekend. That's not the best of the best by any means. That's just the right people got tired of loosing and have a little pull with the right people.

[TexasJ]

The best of the best can only catch THREE hogs in a weekend? Any one with any ol peice of chit mutt can catch 3 hogs in a weekend. That's not the best of the best by any means. That's just the right people got tired of loosing and have a little pull with the right people.

Not actually.  The HDTT is modeled similarly to redfish tournaments.  In redfish tournaments, anglers catch lots of fish, sometimes as many as 30 reds a day.  Texas Parks & Wildlife daily bag limits allows for each angler to keep 3 reds per person per day.  Why don't these redfish tournaments then require each fisherman to weigh-in 3 reds each day???

Because its not about catching the most.  It's about catching a few quality over quantity, and having narrow margins of victory. 

Suspense..... Excitement..... Competition coming down to the wire!

[Lance]

I just got off the phone with TexasJ ( Josh ) and we talked for a pretty good while about hog hunting , tournaments, and BARRS. I believe that he is an upstanding and sincere man to contact me like he did and explain his side of the argument and explain all that he does for the sport . He said that he is the sole organizer of the HDTT and that expenses and the website come out of his pocket. I commend him for the effort that he puts into his Trail of Tears and all that he does for the sport. I still do not agree with the NO BARRS
rule and never will because I believe that a wild hog is a wild hog wether it's been caught and barred or not but it's his Trail and like I told him, it does'nt matter what you do you will never satisfy everybody. Anybody that has ever coached a little league baseball, little dribblers, youth ranch rodeo team, or been a supervisor over several employees can vouch for that fact. I believe that he is the type of person that I would like to get to know better and go hunting and catch a trailer load of BARR HOGS with ! HaHa.

[reatj81]

I just got off the phone with TexasJ ( Josh ) and we talked for a pretty good while about hog hunting , tournaments, and BARRS. I believe that he is an upstanding and sincere man to contact me like he did and explain his side of the argument and explain all that he does for the sport . He said that he is the sole organizer of the HDTT and that expenses and the website come out of his pocket. I commend him for the effort that he puts into his Trail of Tears and all that he does for the sport. I still do not agree with the NO BARRS
rule and never will because I believe that a wild hog is a wild hog wether it's been caught and barred or not but it's his Trail and like I told him, it does'nt matter what you do you will never satisfy everybody. Anybody that has ever coached a little league baseball, little dribblers, youth ranch rodeo team, or been a supervisor over several employees can vouch for that fact. I believe that he is the type of person that I would like to get to know better and go hunting and catch a trailer load of BARR HOGS with ! HaHa.

Well said  I had a very similar conversation with him!

[TexasJ]

I just got off the phone with TexasJ ( Josh ) and we talked for a pretty good while about hog hunting , tournaments, and BARRS. I believe that he is an upstanding and sincere man to contact me like he did and explain his side of the argument and explain all that he does for the sport . He said that he is the sole organizer of the HDTT and that expenses and the website come out of his pocket. I commend him for the effort that he puts into his Trail of Tears and all that he does for the sport. I still do not agree with the NO BARRS
rule and never will because I believe that a wild hog is a wild hog wether it's been caught and barred or not but it's his Trail and like I told him, it does'nt matter what you do you will never satisfy everybody. Anybody that has ever coached a little league baseball, little dribblers, youth ranch rodeo team, or been a supervisor over several employees can vouch for that fact. I believe that he is the type of person that I would like to get to know better and go hunting and catch a trailer load of BARR HOGS with ! HaHa.

Well said  I had a very similar conversation with him!

Thanks also to Jody and Lance.  I enjoyed getting to know you guys a little better since y'all have both been so active on this thread.  Thanks for providing me the opportunity to get to know both of y'all.  Lance, my prayers that your operation runs smoothly and that God's hand is laid upon you that day.

I also hope that things change for both of y'all.
1.) I hope that both of y'all join the TDHA &/or LSWDA
2.) I hope that y'all's start hunting tournaments.
3.) I hope that y'all's plans change to allow y'all to hunt in future tournament in 2013.

I appreciate y'all's contribution within this thread and to the Barrs discussion.  And after y'all become tournament participants and association members, we will then have these things in common.  Thanks.