Barrs

[AnthonyB]

I've stayed out of this whole debate, as I can honestly see arguments for both sides...but to be perfectly honest this is the biggest bunch of BS I've read in a long time.  What are you now "threatening" the TDHA because you don't like their rule?  Seriously...

The TDHA hunt has a foremost purpose...and believe it or not it's NOT about the prizes.  The hunt was formed as a fund raiser for TDHA to raise money to defend YOUR and MY right to hunt with dogs.  I don't care if you support their rule or not, you should still support the cause.  If you don't like the rule, don't hunt it...but to say "I can offer a Barr competition with better prizes with no entry fee the same weekend as tdha"....GROW UP!  And besides...if the "barr hogs" were the reason why people would attend YOUR hunt why would you need better prizes and no entry fee?

Hell, maybe I'll have a third hunt that same day.  No barrs, no entry fees and give everyone who hunts a new truck.

You need to slow down a bit and think about what you're saying...

Good post, we need to remember what TDHA is here for and support accordingly. It's an association to help dog hunters.

[cwhite_25]

This may not mean much but here are my thoughts on how the rules should be laid out to give all hunters around Texas a chance. I do thank people are starting to not hunt these contests as much anymore bc they know how hard it is to catch 5 big hogs in 2 days. People who place or win this every do so by hunting feed lots and places where they barr. Its hard for the avg dog man to compare to these places. Saying that here are rules that would level it out for everybody. You will have alot more teams enter and the weigh in will alot more exciting because of how close it will be.

-3 HOG WEIGH IN
-ONLY 1 CAN BE A BARR
-DEAD HOGS ONLY
-SIDE POTS FOR  LONGEST TUSK(BOAR ONLY), BIG BARR, BIG SOW AND MOST IN STRINGER.

What is everyone's thoughts???
PROS
- Easier on teams to not drag and gut 5 hogs
- Level playing field (Everyone has a chance)
- Can still catch a barr and only need 2 more hogs
-You would not have to travel from place to place as much to find 5 big hogs compared to 3...
-Less hogs means less stress on the TDHA, workers and contestants involved
CONS
- Not as many hogs to donate but you should make up for that bc more teams will show up
-??


I think the thing that is hardest for everyone is looking at the goal of this hunt. That is to get as many teams as you can to hunt so we can raise money to fight for our rights as hunters. I bet if you look back at every years top 10 teams since the TDHA has started this hunt most are the same 10 teams in some way shape or form compete for the money every year....Most of people talking about barrs here will be in the top 10 teams of the contest...I bet the avg hunter can count on his hands and toes how many pigs that will field dress 200 in a year. Let alone catch 5 in 2 days to compete...I didn't hunt TDHA last year because I knew who was hunting and where they where hunting. I'm not going to donate 400 dollars and time to see them take 1-6 places. Which most of the teams I thought would did...Thats whats happening with people and takes away from TDHAs goal. SO THE QUESTION IS...HOW TO WE MAKE IT WHERE EVERYONE IS HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY AND GIVES EVERYONE A CHANCE? I think 3 hogs and only one can be a barr...Just my 2 cents..

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

I like the idea Chad, thanks

[Mike]

How many of the top 10 teams in all the years if the contest have weighed in barr hogs?

Very few.

If I hunt around the clock for two days and happen to only catch 2 or 3 barrs, it's not fair that they shouldn't be allowed.

Hogs are hogs fellas.

[AnthonyB]

How many of the top 10 teams in all the years if the contest have weighed in barr hogs?

Very few.

If I hunt around the clock for two days and happen to only catch 2 or 3 barrs, it's not fair that they shouldn't be allowed.

Hogs are hogs fellas.

By that logic, horses are horses, but I haven't seen to many good colts out of a gelding. Lol. J/k

On a more serious note, this topic is still under discussion with the board.
Anthony

[Lance]

How many of the top 10 teams in all the years if the contest have weighed in barr hogs?

Very few.

If I hunt around the clock for two days and happen to only catch 2 or 3 barrs, it's not fair that they shouldn't be allowed.

Hogs are hogs fellas.

By that logic, horses are horses, but I haven't seen to many good colts out of a gelding. Lol. J/k

On a more serious note, this topic is still under discussion with the board.
Anthony

By that logic, I have'nt seen it either Anthony. But I have seen geldings that were alot wilder and harder to break than any stud horse I've ever rode and I've rode a few. Lol. J/K

On a more serious note, all of the what ifs' and what fors' are getting old for both sides. Just let us know when yall make a decision.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

I want to say this again so there is no misunderstanding.

The problem we have here has nothing at all to do with how hard or easy it is to catch a barr. This has nothing to do with the history and heritage of barring hogs. It has everything to do with teams trying to skirt the rules or outright cheat.

The barr issue has just got tangled up in the discussion.

The problem is with barrs, boars, and/or sows being "moved". Any movement and releasing of any feral hog is against the law, no question about that.

Therefore anyone who "moves" hogs to sweeten up a place for a contest, free range or not, is in violation of the law and those teams are not going to pass a polygraph.

 

[AnthonyB]

How many of the top 10 teams in all the years if the contest have weighed in barr hogs?

Very few.

If I hunt around the clock for two days and happen to only catch 2 or 3 barrs, it's not fair that they shouldn't be allowed.

Hogs are hogs fellas.

By that logic, horses are horses, but I haven't seen to many good colts out of a gelding. Lol. J/k

On a more serious note, this topic is still under discussion with the board.
Anthony

By that logic, I have'nt seen it either Anthony. But I have seen geldings that were alot wilder and harder to break than any stud horse I've ever rode and I've rode a few. Lol. J/K

On a more serious note, all of the what ifs' and what fors' are getting old for both sides. Just let us know when yall make a decision.

Lol, I can definitely agree with that one, been on a few myself. But mean or not, they are still different. And I'm with you in a way, because the what if's could go on forever. Nothing is certain until the rules are voted on and put out there, and hopefully when that happens our true supporters will still be there to support the cause.
Anthony

[cwhite_25]

How many of the top 10 teams in all the years if the contest have weighed in barr hogs?

Very few.

If I hunt around the clock for two days and happen to only catch 2 or 3 barrs, it's not fair that they shouldn't be allowed.

Hogs are hogs fellas.

Would not be any different if I hunted around the clock only to catch 3 pigs 100 pounds...You wouldn't even weigh them in bc you know you dont have a shot.....We could go round and round about different scenarios....

Mike,  You might be right but I think you would be surprised. At least the last 2 years. I know of  1 in the top 6 this year and I hunted with the same guys 2 years ago and got third. Would been interesting to hear what guys weighed in more then 1 barr and where they placed in the last few years......I would like to be proven wrong about my theory bc its only a theory.....

[cwhite_25]

I'm all for barrs myself but still think it should be a 3 hog stringer...I just want to even the playing field on all sides and objectives...Not for me but for the cause....That way more teams will enter and the TDHA will have more funds to fight for our rights...Look forward to hearing ideas on how...Just my thoughts..

[cward]

We weighed in 4 barrs 3 years ago and did not even place my gator dog got killed in the act.  These barrs we caught were not cut by me or anyone I knew.

[Peachcreek]

I want to say this again so there is no misunderstanding.

The problem we have here has nothing at all to do with how hard or easy it is to catch a barr. This has nothing to do with the history and heritage of barring hogs. It has everything to do with teams trying to skirt the rules or outright cheat.

The barr issue has just got tangled up in the discussion.

The problem is with barrs, boars, and/or sows being "moved". Any movement and releasing of any feral hog is against the law, no question about that.

Therefore anyone who "moves" hogs to sweeten up a place for a contest, free range or not, is in violation of the law and those teams are not going to pass a polygraph.

 

This is the best post on the subject yet!!!

 I had a long talk today with another tournament holder today who is doing the no barr thang in his tournament this year. He asked me what I thought about the no barr rule. I basically said I feel he and others are discriminating against us piney woods hunters. The reason I feel this way is I hunt in MY area and in MY area people have been barring hogs for years so I might catch a barr or two and for it to be banned just aint right. Another reason I gave is that in the piney woods our boars simply do not grow to the size as boars in farm lands or feed lots where food is no problem. I may be wrong on the last statement but I do not think so, I have hunted quite a few different areas and this is for sure been the case. I have yet to see a boar over 250-260 be taken from our woods. The other statement I made was that our area just does not have the number of hogs that others have..We have hunted for weeks at a time and never get on a hog. I told him just exactly what silverton said above, that sows and boars could be relocated just the same as barrs.  these tournaments that are going to ban barrs are taking the only thing that makes us competitive away from us. I will step down from my soap box now.

there are enough rules in the world as it is.. lets just enforce the rules that already in place and have been working for years already.

[cwhite_25]

We weighed in 4 barrs 3 years ago and did not even place my gator dog got killed in the act.  These barrs we caught were not cut by me or anyone I knew.

Chance,

Thanks for the feedback on my theory. If you dont mind me asking did you or your wifes team hunt the last 2 years. If so how did you do?

[Bryant]

The way I understand it, and from all I've read, it seems those who have been vocal opponents of the no-Barr rule are opposed simply due to the fact should they randomly catch a Barr hog it should be counted.  I believe the purpose of the rule is strictly to keep teams from stacking the odds and to promote a more even playing field.

With that being said, perhaps here's a solution.

Allow Barr hogs, and treat them just as any other hog in the stringer....basically one or all.

However, in the polygraph test ask the following question:

"Did you, your teammates, or anyone else knowingly release or relocate feral hogs in preparation for your teams participation in this competition?"

I think that would cut out all the BS of what the "no-Barr" rule is trying to accomplish, but still allow those randomly caught Barr hogs to count.

Thoughts?

[Mike]

Bryant, I 100% agree... that's the point I believe everyone is trying to make.

[Peachcreek]

The way I understand it, and from all I've read, it seems those who have been vocal opponents of the no-Barr rule are opposed simply due to the fact should they randomly catch a Barr hog it should be counted.  I believe the purpose of the rule is strictly to keep teams from stacking the odds and to promote a more even playing field.

With that being said, perhaps here's a solution.

Allow Barr hogs, and treat them just as any other hog in the stringer....basically one or all.

However, in the polygraph test ask the following question:

"Did you, your teammates, or anyone else knowingly release or relocate feral hogs in preparation for your teams participation in this competition?"

I think that would cut out all the BS of what the "no-Barr" rule is trying to accomplish, but still allow those randomly caught Barr hogs to count.

Thoughts?

I somewhat agree with your question bryant..
I think the release part of the question would trip me up. lol It is illegal to relocate a hog but not to release, at least that is what i have heard.
This would be no different than someone pre fishing before a bass tournament and then throwing the lunker back in the lake after catching it hoping he might catch it latter.

[cwhite_25]

The way I understand it, and from all I've read, it seems those who have been vocal opponents of the no-Barr rule are opposed simply due to the fact should they randomly catch a Barr hog it should be counted.  I believe the purpose of the rule is strictly to keep teams from stacking the odds and to promote a more even playing field.

With that being said, perhaps here's a solution.

Allow Barr hogs, and treat them just as any other hog in the stringer....basically one or all.

However, in the polygraph test ask the following question:

"Did you, your teammates, or anyone else knowingly release or relocate feral hogs in preparation for your teams participation in this competition?"

I think that would cut out all the BS of what the "no-Barr" rule is trying to accomplish, but still allow those randomly caught Barr hogs to count.

Thoughts?

I like it bryant..Im all for barrs myself..I just cant get a 3 hog weigh in out of my head...Haha

[Bryant]

This would be no different than someone pre fishing before a bass tournament and then throwing the lunker back in the lake after catching it hoping he might catch it latter.

Except pre-fishing (at least usually up until a certain time) is within the rules.  Bringing hogs to weigh in that have been previously caught prior to tournament hours is not.

Notice I said in the question "in preparation for your teams participation."

If a person practices barring of hogs solely because that's the way they were taught to hunt (as has been previously stated) then the polygraph question would be a non-issue.

Now if someone is cutting hogs for competitions sake, watch out.  In that case, what would be the difference in catching boars, cutting a leg off and turning them back loose making them easier to catch again.  Hypothetical, but I think you understand my point.

[Bryant]

It might also be beneficial for some to look up and read the publication put out by the Texas Animal Health Commission a couple years back regarding the movement of feral swine.  I'll try to find it and post a link.

The way I understand, movement (as referred to by the commission) is that it begins from the point of capture.  In other words when you take a hog out of a trap, that is deemed movement.  It has nothing to do with going 30 miles down the road (although that would also be defined as movement).  According to the publication, the only lawful movement is directly to slaughter, to a licensed holding facility, or a licensed hunting preserve.  I can find no where that either affirms or denies that releasing a caught hog (even at the actual location of capture) is lawful.

[cward]

Bryant I talked with the animal health commission and it is not illegal to Barr on spot. There lawyer talked to Texasj and said the same thing it is not illegal. It is to transport them and release without being tested.