Still struggling with my wants in a catch dog...

[Noah]

The "hole" in my program, is my catchdog selection.   Over the last few yrs, I have been studying many different styles/techniques/body styles/breeds/etc... 

What I have... Bucho(Dogo)

     -Advantages:   He is big(110#'s)strong as an ox, and hard as the day is long.  When he gets a grip, there is no more story... he is a HUGE reason my dogs do not get hurt much anymore.  When he is on a good hog, there is NO slingin' dogs around and gettin' chit cut after the catch.  He has a BEAUTIFUL personality, very humble dog for what he is.  Love the damn dog, I really do.  No other dog I have ever seen, would I want with me in a fight.  He has my back just as if I had another man in there with me.  Makes hunting by myself much less stressful.  Hell of a neat dog.

     -Disadvantages:   He is big, relatively slow, makes all kind of damn noise coming through brush to get to the hog... a lot of hogs break before he gets close enough to catch.  He has a hard time pinpointing a single dog baying, not sure if he might not be unilaterally deaf, he hears great.... just cant seem to pinpoint at distance unless there are multiple dogs baying...  Let's imagine he had perfect hearing however, he still makes alot of hogs break...


What I am considering... Good line of AB

      -Advantages:  Medium size dog, good hardness... quicker to hog in heavy cover...

      -Disadvantages:   Less control once caught, more damage inflicted to CD AND curs trying to help catchdog control bad hog... seen it over and over and over again...


... many variables to consider I have not come to an understanding of yet.

[DWEST]

      -Disadvantages:   Less control once caught, more damage inflicted to CD AND curs trying to help catchdog control bad hog... seen it over and over and over again...


... many variables to consider I have not come to an understanding of yet.

In you opinion why do you think this is?  Catch style or size, or a lil of both?  I have never really used CD's, just curs that would catch and every once in a while go with someone with a CD.  Been pondering what the best all around CD a while myself, because like u say...hopefully keep all of the dogs safer.

[Noah]

... then there is the idea of "athleticism" in a walk in style catch dog...

... HOW athletic is TOO athletic???  ...

... one advantage to a "typical" bulldog, is the fact that they are typically not track stars... if the hog does happen to break, one can usually get the dog back without worrying about the animal sticking with the cur dogs for miles... eventually catching without anyone around to help...

... this "lack of athleticism", suddenly becomes an asset in this scenario.  Yes, the hog might break... but a super athletic CD could get EVERYTHING wrecked miles away without you there to help...

... keeps me coming back to the same question, "how athletic do I REALLY want a CD to be?"

[Noah]

      -Disadvantages:   Less control once caught, more damage inflicted to CD AND curs trying to help catchdog control bad hog... seen it over and over and over again...


... many variables to consider I have not come to an understanding of yet.

In you opinion why do you think this is?  Catch style or size, or a lil of both?  I have never really used CD's, just curs that would catch and every once in a while go with someone with a CD.  Been pondering what the best all around CD a while myself, because like u say...hopefully keep all of the dogs safer.

Just because you "can" do something, does not mean it is the best(safest) way...  Yes, it sure is cool to be able to tell your cur to catch... very handy some times... other times... those cur dogs get killed.  And THEN what you got?  Dead dogs.

Good cur dogs are too hard to produce to ask them to catch a bad boar hog, that is what a good CD is for.  I hear it all the time from respected friends of mine... "man we got on a bad one, he slung the catch dog/bay dogs all over the place, wrecked everything, and hauled ass."

It is a trade off.  A big, strong CD makes it much safer for all involved... at the cost of production however... but when lost time/dogs from injury is factored in... it might just average out....

[Noah]

When I hunt, it is always with the intention of finding the biggest, baddest sombitch on the face of the earth lol... it is what drives me.  NOTHING is worse than FINALLY getting your shot at a once in a lifetime animal like this and gettin' beat... that thought is in the back of my mind EVERY HUNT.  When I meet that animal, I do not want to look back and say I could have been prepaired better.  Everything I do is met with a good measure of "overkill" shall we say  ... I am not hunting for the 999 pigs, I am waiting on that 1/1000... the dogs I currently hunt reflect that I feel... just tryin' to tweak my CD program just that "little bit" more HAHA 

[DWEST]

I agree, guess i didnt really need to add that last part...was just asking do you think the size of a big CD is more of an asset or or the style/smartness of one to grab an ear and suck up beside a biggun??  

Of coarse, a 120 CD that would suck up to one tight and could tip toe to a bay at the speed of sound would be perfect

[Noah]

I agree, guess i didnt really need to add that last part...was just asking do you think the size of a big CD is more of an asset or or the style/smartness of one to grab an ear and suck up beside a biggun??  

Of coarse, a 120 CD that would suck up to one tight and could tip toe to a bay at the speed of sound would be perfect

LOL... now THAT is the EXACT CD I'm lookin' for!!  Do you know where I can find him?   

No doubt, size helps, but STYLE is just badass to see...  Bucho has that style, so cool to see... I still just shake my head trying to understand it, as he's done it since the first hog he ever caught, just plain genetics.

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

I think you have what you want, but you just need a little smaller framed dog. 110lbs is going to make some noise. An 85 lbs dogo of the same height can be enough dog if the style is there and you can get more speed and agility coming in. I don't see where the straight AB improves anything.

[Noah]

I think you have what you want, but you just need a little smaller framed dog. 110lbs is going to make some noise. An 85 lbs dogo of the same height can be enough dog if the style is there and you can get more speed and agility coming in. I don't see where the straight AB improves anything.

Yessir... you nailed it... just getting that size Dogo with all of Bucho's qualities in that smaller frame... have not seen the dog yet

[Easttex91]

Didnt you have a stag at one time Noah ?

[DWEST]

maybe just get you some of that camo paint for him...they must see that white horse from a mile away

I've never been around a dogo, thought they were supposed to be fairly quick with good stamina...well, i guess as good as a 110lb dog could be?  Are most of them that big?  In the perfect world, could you find a gyp that comes from a smaller framed line with the same "catching" qualities and hope to get what you want?  Or, were you wanting to change up the frame size/style a lil with the AB (assuming you were talking 'bout a cross?).  I did find an AB line online a while back out of N.FL or S.Ga...the dog they seemed to be hanging there hat on, "Cowboy", sure looked the part and even heard a few talks talk about him down here around me?  Just by reading, you seem to really know what you want and are real picky...so, sorry for the long unhelpfull replies...just picking your brain

[dogo24]

just a thought ...... breed him to a pit , ab , or smaller framed dogo might get what your looking for !

[Scott]

I think you have what you want, but you just need a little smaller framed dog. 110lbs is going to make some noise. An 85 lbs dogo of the same height can be enough dog if the style is there and you can get more speed and agility coming in. I don't see where the straight AB improves anything.

Then I would say that you haven't ever seen a straight performance AB.

[dogo24]

5 jagd terriers = the 110 lbs of fast quiet catching anchors your looking for ! lol  just kidding

[Noah]

Didnt you have a stag at one time Noah ?

No stag, I had a GH and was cool, just not hardy enough for heavy terrain.

DWEST, there are extremes as you know in every breed.... I have a female Dogo about a yr old/90#'s that is faster/more athletic than any dog I have... the bitch just won't catch lol... so there ya go haha    ... I just gotta get my hands on "that dog" so I can line breed the chit out of it lol!!!

just a thought ...... breed him to a pit , ab , or smaller framed dogo might get what your looking for !

The thought is constantly on my mind, I would love to breed Bucho, but I am concerned of the bigger male to smaller female issue... would there be complications at birthing?  I haven't got a straight answer yet.  (any of yall got a good female and wanna try let me know lol)

Scott, I finally got to see a good AB work over the last few months... damn good dog, just too small for me

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

Noah, I believe I have what you want in the oven. 

[Noah]

Noah, I believe I have what you want in the oven. 

I'm all ears Paul 

[Silverton Boar Dogs]

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[DWEST]

Noah,

And what if you crossed him over one of those "sure nough" rough fl curs?  and i mean those that are straight catch or bark once or twice then catch?  

I doubt thats what you're really looking to do...but im sure a rough one bred to your catch dog would be straight catch with pleanty of wind, quickness, hardness and smarts to fit the bill for a walk in CD.

but then you'd still be in the same boat worrying about th small framed female.  just an idea, would be a cool experiment if you had the time, space and money....just think in the perfect world you could pop out a good small, hard female and breed her back to her daddy and voila....Noah's Flogo's

[dogo24]

Didnt you have a stag at one time Noah ?

No stag, I had a GH and was cool, just not hardy enough for heavy terrain.

DWEST, there are extremes as you know in every breed.... I have a female Dogo about a yr old/90#'s that is faster/more athletic than any dog I have... the bitch just won't catch lol... so there ya go haha    ... I just gotta get my hands on "that dog" so I can line breed the chit out of it lol!!!

just a thought ...... breed him to a pit , ab , or smaller framed dogo might get what your looking for !

The thought is constantly on my mind, I would love to breed Bucho, but I am concerned of the bigger male to smaller female issue... would there be complications at birthing?  I haven't got a straight answer yet.  (any of yall got a good female and wanna try let me know lol)

Scott, I finally got to see a good AB work over the last few months... damn good dog, just too small for me

would not be an issue at all ! people breed dogos to small catahoulas all the time to get the catdo cross ! my friend has some on the ground now , 100 + pound dogo to a 50 lb cat and she had no problems ! no reason why a 45-60 lb pit would be any diff ?