Still struggling with my wants in a catch dog...

[dogo24]

Didnt you have a stag at one time Noah ?

No stag, I had a GH and was cool, just not hardy enough for heavy terrain.

DWEST, there are extremes as you know in every breed.... I have a female Dogo about a yr old/90#'s that is faster/more athletic than any dog I have... the bitch just won't catch lol... so there ya go haha    ... I just gotta get my hands on "that dog" so I can line breed the chit out of it lol!!!

just a thought ...... breed him to a pit , ab , or smaller framed dogo might get what your looking for !

The thought is constantly on my mind, I would love to breed Bucho, but I am concerned of the bigger male to smaller female issue... would there be complications at birthing?  I haven't got a straight answer yet.  (any of yall got a good female and wanna try let me know lol)

Scott, I finally got to see a good AB work over the last few months... damn good dog, just too small for me

would not be an issue at all ! people breed dogos to small catahoulas all the time to get the catdo cross ! my friend has some on the ground now , 100 + pound dogo to a 50 lb cat and she had no problems ! no reason why a 45-60 lb pit would be any diff ?

its a really cool cross too

[Noah]

Flogos.... has a "ring" to it I must admit!!!     Yes, I would do that(was planning on doing it with my female I've been raising for the last goddam yr...), BUT.... I wouldn't do a breeding like that unless I was prepared to pay for a cesarean... which I HAVE actually been considering lol

dogo24... I would REALLY like to believe you....

... I'd breed Bucho to Shiner and it would be a done deal

[dogo24]

Flogos.... has a "ring" to it I must admit!!!     Yes, I would do that(was planning on doing it with my female I've been raising for the last goddam yr...), BUT.... I wouldn't do a breeding like that unless I was prepared to pay for a cesarean... which I HAVE actually been considering lol

dogo24... I would REALLY like to believe you....

... I'd breed Bucho to Shiner and it would be a done deal

go to douglas mason's website ......" masons catahoulas" ....... there are some pics of his catdos !  really awesome dogs with great stamina and hard catching power !

[Noah]

Yes, I've talked to Mr Mason alot about the Dogo x Cur, no doubt that was the direction I have been working towards... just was trying to make a male Dogo to female cur cross to be safe...

[levibarcus]

I'm right with you Noah. I have Betty (pitXDane), about 90 lb, hog crazy but is  not as hard as I'd like, and her brain shorts out when she hears a bay. When I say not as hard as I'd like, on Sat. she had a good boar caught for a while and when I got there she lost her grip and caught her breath before locking back up. She gets the job done for now, but lacks in several areas. I also have a lot of broken bays when she bulldozes through the brush to catch.

I just lost my ideal cd a few weeks ago. I don't know his breeding but he was about 65 to 70 lb, caught extremely hard, and had a great mind. I could lead him right up to a bay and not have him be flipping out, but when I kicked him loose it was game on. When he went to a bay he would chose a good path and approach. He might turn around and go back if the way he started didn't suit him and find a better approach. He was in a hurry but he was THINKING about it. He was built like a really thick cur body with a massive neck and set of jaws. He was very athletic and had some leg and speed. He only was cut twice in the time I had him, and they were minor flesh wounds on his leg. He died from internal injuries on a boar that he struck when he slipped his snap on the 4 wheeler. He was still locked, body limp, being drug around when I got to him. That is heart right there.

This thread could get heated, people have strong opinions about this, but I am interested in what is working for those who consistently catch good hogs in any conditions. Noah, I think you described very well my thoughts on the subject. But I've only been at this for 3 yrs. I learn something new every time I turn dogs loose.

[dogo24]

Yes, I've talked to Mr Mason alot about the Dogo x Cur, no doubt that was the direction I have been working towards... just was trying to make a male Dogo to female cur cross to be safe...

well if you ever decide on a cross , let me know , im wanting a good female from a good line to breed to my dogo later on down the road !

[Noah]

Levi, you understand then when I question how "athletic" a catch dog should be?  I would rather a CD miss a catch than carry on with the cur dogs or hunt by hisself and get killed.... I don't know... still a cloudy subject.

dogo24, I damn sure got the female.  What you got for a male?

[levibarcus]

Yep, on Sat. Betty missed and then rolled half a mile with the curs and caught. Luckily they were caught right by the road and we got to them fast.

[dogo24]

Levi, you understand then when I question how "athletic" a catch dog should be?  I would rather a CD miss a catch than carry on with the cur dogs or hunt by hisself and get killed.... I don't know... still a cloudy subject.

dogo24, I damn sure got the female.  What you got for a male?

my male is coming up on 2 years old , got him from joe levenridge at US HOG OUTFITTERS .  hes about 93 lbs of solid muscle , he would prob weigh more but i run him on the ground with the curs .  really an awesome dog and will be a great catch dog with more time and experience !  for his size hes really fast and agile , ive lead him in before and does really great but i perfer him on the ground because the dogs we run are rough . he has a tendency to catch on the head sometimes but i think its because there are already dogs on the ears ?  idk   you can tell when ole jasper gets there , that hog changes his tone ! lol

[hogdown]

I don't hunt dogo's, but it sounds like you have a good one. With a big cd that is athletic and looks good is a +, but brains tell it all. I like to walk in my cd. If it runs up to the brush stops looks and finds a trail then go's in and catches. To me thats brains . Some big cd will just run in and don't stop to think and bulldoze right in ,and bust a bay . Just don't give up on him, hog will run for now. When he get's more hunts under his belt they won't. It sounds like he has the brain's, just give it time man. That's all you can do. We all go on hunt's that we say i should have done this or done that, and i would have done that. It all go's back to what you like.   

[Mike]

Noah, if you're worried about the dog running with the curs after the hog breaks... strap a shock collar on it.

The two AB gyps I have would stick with one for miles... one of them over heated on me real bad summer before last and never fully recovered from it. Now if it's not caught within a hundred yards or so, a little bump with the Tri-Tronics and they're heading back to me.

[sanduskykennels]

I get it done with two bulldogs leaves less room for curs on the head. one fast one one big one i let the fast one go about 6 seconds before the big one from around 20 yrds to 50 yrds

[Doggie]

If you are concerned about the dog trailing a broke bay, wouldn't cross a curr into the equation. There are smaller dogo males and 75 lb AB males just have to find the right blood. My catch dogs don't crash through the brush breaking bays they tend to find the path of least resistance and rarely miss their mark. With that being said they will also pass a caught hog to go to a bayed hog. So, if you have split bays it can be a pain.

[Noah]

Noah, if you're worried about the dog running with the curs after the hog breaks... strap a shock collar on it.

The two AB gyps I have would stick with one for miles... one of them over heated on me real bad summer before last and never fully recovered from it. Now if it's not caught within a hundred yards or so, a little bump with the Tri-Tronics and they're heading back to me.

That is a dang good idea Mike... I'm gonna try that

[TazD]

Noah. I believe we hunt the same way and the same terrain here in Florida. We usually have 1-2 rough curs hunting and lead in a catchdog. Where we differ is are catchdogs. I have great success with my big athletic pitbulls. They are fast, athletic, hit the hog hard, and they will never let go. The 2 I have used over the last 8 years are great dogs. They are awesome with my childern, act great with my other dogs, quite in the kennel, and have Never not caught and handled any hog. Of course my rough Fl Curs will gang pile the hog with the catchdog, but I think that is how both are curs are.
Find yourself a good 60-70 athletic pitbull, in your case a female for you to put Bucho on later. I have had both a female and male, and they both get the job done very well. They also have had the nack of not getting cut up bad and I run them without a vest 80% of the time. Good luck with your search buddy!!

[Purebreedcolt]

Noah I know exactly where ur coming from.  My ridgeback sounds like a durn freight train coming through the brush.  I bred him to a smaller athletic pit.  Pups are 10 months and all 4 I kept have caught.  I am looking for that 75 pound cd and the males are going to hit it lean leg neck with what I hope will be smarts. I cut loose further than some a lot in some places I hunt so I want that athletic dog. I couldn't find the cd I wanted so I bred one. I will probally at some point cut back to 2 of them and make the same type of cross again but this time male pit on a female ridgeback.  Know lots don't like ridgebacks but I do so don't judge too hard lol.

[Noah]

That 75-85# dog is indeed the sweet spot...  I like a Ridgeback personally, just most of the ones I've seen had health issues

[Purebreedcolt]

So far no health issues male is nearly 5 and female is about 1 1/2 or so

[Reuben]

That 75-85# dog is indeed the sweet spot...  I like a Ridgeback personally, just most of the ones I've seen had health issues

I agree...I have had a few pitbulls in the 5-60 pound range I liked...but a friend had one I wish I could of cloned...about 80 pounds of bad to the bone catch dog that had lots of speed and power...

[SnF bucking bulls]

I get it done with two bulldogs leaves less room for curs on the head. one fast one one big one i let the fast one go about 6 seconds before the big one from around 20 yrds to 50 yrds

real nice looking bulldogs. But I'm.curious is to why you let the fast one go first then the bigger one. Wouldn't you wana let the slow one go first and then the fast one? So they hit about the same time. Just wonderingyour reason o. That sir